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As a former speed freak I agree to some extent, but would never recommend someone take speed as a viable motivation enhancer any more than I would recommend someone smoke heroin to get over the death of a loved one.

Yes of course keeping a healthy mind and body contribute towards well-being and mental clarity, but you won't wake up one morning goal-focused and inspired to work no matter how many nootropics you take. If you sit about and wait for a drug to give you motivation you'll be dissapointed, motivation takes a little elbow grease too.
 
^^ Well, I'd imagine there would be your problem, then. Expect to be disappointed, and you will be. Everything is 50% placebo or better anyway.
 
I'm going to continue with attack doses for another week then cut it down and see how it goes. I still live in hope that there will be some improvement in some form or another.

My brain can do with all the help it can get. :)
 
How do I go about making that MDMA magic return by using Pirecetam?

I've been taking at least 2G of Pirecetam every morning for over 2 weeks now and took MD friday night but the magic certainly didn't return like some people have said it , any tips on how to get the most out of my pirecetam in regards to making MDMA more effective as I'm off to a big rave on Friday and would love it if that magic came back for one night only. :)
 
The so called magic loss is just called knowing what to expect I think; it's a mental, not biochemical loss imho. I've done alot of drugs and they all lose their magic with repeated use. Remember the first time you got buzzed from alcohol, that was magic too for most people.
 
I don't think it is, I get very little phisical effects from MD these days, a total lack of body rushes / tingles etc. That surely can't be a mental thing?
 
I don't know, maybe it's both mental and physical tolerance, even after a long time of not using it. I still get the same experience but I haven't done it more than six or seven times.
 
You are meant to do the piracetam at about the same time as drugs to enhance them I think. Drop the Piracetam an hour before hand and make 166mg bombs of MDMA (1000/6). If that doesn't work, then yeah, maybe you've lost it.
 
Ah right, so no bad interactions with pirecetam and MDMA that anyone knows about?
 
I don't know of any bad interactions between piracetam and mdma, i imagine it would just heighten the sensational side of it. I've been taking nootropics maybe about a month now. After some experimentation I have a stack that works wonders for me everytime. Its amazing how many days Ive had since starting which feel like i'm having the best day of my life. Anyway my stack is

2 x EPA in wild salmon oil
1 x multi vit
1800mg Piracetam
about 1g Aniracetam
Rhodiola 550mg
Ashwagandha 350mg
Sulbutiamine about 300mg
Centrephenoxine 500mg
Picamilon 100mg
Alpha GPC 600mg

I take 5-htp and tryptophan at night and St Johns Wort during the day
I think Im taking a bit too much choline atm because centrophenoxine is cholinergic and alpha GPC is the strongest there is and the pills I have are quite high dosage. Most important for me are picamilon, phenibut, 5htp and tryptophan as Ive been plagued with anxiety for 90% of my adult life (am 26) ITs a good idea to cycle as tolerances can build up with various of these things, which is why at weekends I have phenibut instead of picamilon. I actually prefer picamilon to phenibut.

WIth the stack I have for the first 5 hours of the day after taking it, Im in the most amazing mood. I repeat the dose for the second half of the day and I think maybe Im overdoing it because I can sometimes feel a bit too wired in the evening. ANyone starting out I reccommend keeping a journal of what youve taken and what the effects are, that way you can be well organised about working out what works for you in what dosage, and what doesnt etc.

If i had to choose the most important out of my stack i think theyd be piracetam, picamilon and rhodiola. Multi vit and fish oils are just essential. But the former 3 are spot on for me, I love them. I use them to counteract my add and probably related social anxiety and the fact of the matter is the social anxiety has just gone, the add is something you need to work on with the aid of cognitive enhancers because you need to relearn how to be organised.

Just my 2 cents
 
Ok well I used Pirecetam up until last Friday, around 3 weeks in total, taking a teaspoon full (kinda heaped) every day when I woke up. I then decided to take a week off to see if I noticed any improvement. Well I haven't, still dumb, unmotived, lacking focus and concentration is as bad as ever.

Finally got some scales and it seems the dose I was taking wasn't around 2 grams as I thought but more like 4-5G grams.

Is it likely that Pirecetam just isn't for me or I should I try again?
 
BudWhite said:
I don't know of any bad interactions between piracetam and mdma, i imagine it would just heighten the sensational side of it. I've been taking nootropics maybe about a month now. After some experimentation I have a stack that works wonders for me everytime. Its amazing how many days Ive had since starting which feel like i'm having the best day of my life. Anyway my stack is

2 x EPA in wild salmon oil
1 x multi vit
1800mg Piracetam
about 1g Aniracetam
Rhodiola 550mg
Ashwagandha 350mg
Sulbutiamine about 300mg
Centrephenoxine 500mg
Picamilon 100mg
Alpha GPC 600mg

I take 5-htp and tryptophan at night and St Johns Wort during the day
I think Im taking a bit too much choline atm because centrophenoxine is cholinergic and alpha GPC is the strongest there is and the pills I have are quite high dosage. Most important for me are picamilon, phenibut, 5htp and tryptophan as Ive been plagued with anxiety for 90% of my adult life (am 26) ITs a good idea to cycle as tolerances can build up with various of these things, which is why at weekends I have phenibut instead of picamilon. I actually prefer picamilon to phenibut.

WIth the stack I have for the first 5 hours of the day after taking it, Im in the most amazing mood. I repeat the dose for the second half of the day and I think maybe Im overdoing it because I can sometimes feel a bit too wired in the evening. ANyone starting out I reccommend keeping a journal of what youve taken and what the effects are, that way you can be well organised about working out what works for you in what dosage, and what doesnt etc.

If i had to choose the most important out of my stack i think theyd be piracetam, picamilon and rhodiola. Multi vit and fish oils are just essential. But the former 3 are spot on for me, I love them. I use them to counteract my add and probably related social anxiety and the fact of the matter is the social anxiety has just gone, the add is something you need to work on with the aid of cognitive enhancers because you need to relearn how to be organised.

Just my 2 cents
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don't you find that just taking it a little less often has the same effect with a lot less effort involved?
 
TheSpade said:
Ok well I used Pirecetam up until last Friday, around 3 weeks in total, taking a teaspoon full (kinda heaped) every day when I woke up. I then decided to take a week off to see if I noticed any improvement. Well I haven't, still dumb, unmotived, lacking focus and concentration is as bad as ever.

Finally got some scales and it seems the dose I was taking wasn't around 2 grams as I thought but more like 4-5G grams.

Is it likely that Pirecetam just isn't for me or I should I try again?
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If you were taking between 4 and 5 grams daily for 3 weeks and had no positive effects at all then i would be tempted to say Piracetam is not for you. Do you have any friends who would be interested in trying it? See if they get any different effects.

Also i doubt it will help you much with MDMA if you got no positive effects after 3 weeks at that dose but i could be wrong.

If i took 4 to 5 grams for 3 weeks i would be experiencing the start of negative side effects like jitteriness and insomnia as a result, just to give you an idea for comparison.
 
Ordered from bulk nutrition a load of Piracetam, Choline Bitartrate and Phenibut which was shipped on the 14th of December with normal shipping. It still hasn't arrived but is this to be expected with christmas and such? I've heard the UK post are standing around with their dicks in their hands too. Customs wouldn't seize it like utter cunts would they? I got friggin exams around the corner!
 
Hey dudes, im new to this game and i also live in Sweden, so swedish laws are restrictive and for the moment my question is what would suite me best while its still legal. I can not use any *racetam, and im not sure of any of the syntehtic ones, but herbs i can get easily get.

So this is what im thinking of for starters:
DMAE (im about to research centrophenoxine and might be able to use that in a near future)
ACh-givers, like ALC
L-theanine

Possibly legal to use:
Centrophenoxine
Vinpocetine
picamilone
other *racetams than piracetam, i checked the swedish official website for prescribed drugs and did not find anything but piracetam, so there might be a loophole there.

Illegal without a prescription:
Piracetam
*finil (i am aware that they are addictive and im surely not trying to get addicted, but as a casual super enhancer)
Adderal
Ritalin
Speed (duh :P)


What are your recomendations to add, subtract and so on?
 
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My friend swears by modafinil - its stopped him being bone idle and doing coke all the time.

Although its effects seem to taper out after a couple of years use.
 
Anxiety means low gaba levels. Supplement with Gaba which does work.
Memory problems is acetycholine for that I found apha-gpc to work best, gave me a real boost. Only worked for a while though, I imagine my levels were low got boosted and stayed there.
First time I took Korean(panax) ginseng it was like being on illegal drugs and I stayed awake for 20 hours. That does boost acetylcholine aswell.

I did try DHEA for a while aswell for energy and motivation but it's not something that someone under 30 should be taking. Or if you do only do 5mg max. It's meant to help if you have adrenal fatigue. Bloodtest will tell.

A good dopamine booster apart from the previously mentioned tyrosine and phenyalanine is dopabean(mucuna pruriens). They give it people who have parkinsons at times.

A good multivitamin is important aswell.

Low energy can be a medical condition like hypothyroid or diabetes ,only a bloodtest will tell for sure.
No rushes or adrenaline and focus I believe can be contributed to low epinephrine and norepinephrine.
The dopamine boosters should help with that.
Have you ever taken the braverman assessment?
 
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