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I have a headache this evening, I remember reading Pirceteam can cause headaches, is it likely that this could be the cause? Should I maybe take a lil more Choline tomorrow to combat this?
 
Piracetam can cause headaches. I sometimes get this if i take too much piracetam, especially when tired. It also seems to happen when i've not taken piracetam for a while. I would suggest you try taking slightly more choline or slightly less piracetam. You may just find it isn't a problem tomorrow as once you get used to the piracetam the headache can pass.

Just check the recommended daily allowance of choline and make sure you don't take too much. There is no need for large doses of the stuff.

Once i get used to piracetam the headaches are rare and not as bad as caffeine related headaches can be.

Edit - If you are anything like me when you are on piracetam, especially once the full effects start kicking in, you really need to watch your caffeine consumption. Most of the side effects are much worsened by caffeine including the insomnia, mostly because piracetam potentiates caffeine and most stimulants loads. When I am taking caffeine i drink about 1/2 or 1/3 as much tea or coca cola as i would normally or else i get unpleasant effects.
 
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I don't drink any caffiene on a regular basis so that shouldn't be a problem.

The headache may not have been even caused by the pirceteam, possibly just a coincodence but I'll see how I feel tomorrow and change doses approriately if need be.
 
Piracetam can make these things worse. Especially at attack dosages. I always feel a bit like piracetam makes me litterally more physically aware of my brain so that if there is any discomfort it feels worse. Sounds weird but there you go.

Some people just don't get on with this stuff - it gives them headaches or no good effects or something else. Keep at it for a couple of weeks at least unless it gets really unpleasant before you decide.

If you don't drink much stuff that contains caffiene then you'll still notice increased effects when you do. You'll also notice that most other drugs are either enhanced or altered by the presence of piracetam. Most stimulants (like ceffiene) are potentiated. MDMA is potentiated but the stimulant effects get more of a boost (for me) than the ecstatic effects so i usually try to avoid this myself although some people like it.

You may need to take more ketamine than you normally would to get the same effects but go carefully before you decide on this.

LSD is greatly potentiated so be careful; but the character of the drug is altered slightly as well, it's not just stronger.

Weed isn't effected too much. You can remain productive on slightly higher dosages, you recover from a heavy stone to a productive state a little quicker, and if you get heavily stoned in an evening you'll feel much better more quickly the next morning for work after the piracetam kicks in. Some people get interested in piracetam just to reverse the effects weed can have in the long term (when not actually stoned).

You need to be careful with alcohol. You'll get drunk faster and it can be quite unpleasant if you go out drinking with your mates and try to match them or drink normally. Personally i am happy to drink less when on piracetam and the actual effects of the alcohol seems slightly nicer to me. It feels a little bit more psychadelic and interesting and just a little bit more like ketamine if you drink sensibly.
 
Well, piracetam doesn't sound like something I could get into. Now phenibut and picamilon...

Hey recently I came accross some GABA + niacin supplements and was thinking would that actually work, I mean could picamilon form natually in the stomache?
 
MrM said:
You need to be careful with alcohol. You'll get drunk faster and it can be quite unpleasant if you go out drinking with your mates and try to match them or drink normally. Personally i am happy to drink less when on piracetam and the actual effects of the alcohol seems slightly nicer to me. It feels a little bit more psychadelic and interesting and just a little bit more like ketamine if you drink sensibly.
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How bizzare I didn't realise it had any interaction with alcohol, I'll be drinking on Wednesday so I'll see how it goes. :)
 
mulberryman said:
Well, piracetam doesn't sound like something I could get into. Now phenibut and picamilon...

Hey recently I came accross some GABA + niacin supplements and was thinking would that actually work, I mean could picamilon form natually in the stomache?
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If you take phenibut regularly like people take piracetam you'll find you need to up your dosage by about 30% every two weeks to get the same effect. Also it's addictive similar to GBL and withdrawls are supposed to be about as bad.

I bought some of the phenibut powder - i just can't work out when to take it or why.

I don't know anything about picamilon
 
Both up tolerance as far as the sedation effect is concerned, so if you are using them for this effect, then its probably best to use them short term only. I've never noticed either to be 'as addictive as GHB', certainly no more addictive than diazepam, ime. If taken continuously, without upping the dose, the nootropic effect of increasing mental capabilities is uneffected, and I find that the tolerance does not build beyond its initial point, as long as you don't give in to the addictive urge to up the dose for more sedation. Thus, a larger dose can still be used to relieve insomnia while you are taking them, as long as its done for only short periods.

Picamilon is GABA attached to a niacin atom, allowing it to cross over the BBB, where it has both the sedative effects of GABA, as well as the stimulatory effects of niacin. I still don't know if the ordinary GABA supplements with niacin could actually work, though. If so, then picamilon could actually be an endogenous neurochemical.
 
Mulberryman - I've got myself some Phenibut but i am finding it hard to get information about the stuff. There doesn't seem to be much on erowid. Do you know any good resources of info for this?

Also is there anything useful you can tell me about Phenibut?

I bought it hoping it would work well as an occasional relaxant and anti anxiety drug, maybe for stimulant come downs or something, i'm not really sure.
 
Well, Wikipedia has a good article, but it was so new, I actually had to edit it to parse the text into paragraphs for them.

I really know it best from personal experience. It doesn't seem as euphoric as benzos or kava extracts, but a good deal more sedating, at least at first. It doesn't feel like something I could easily become addicted to, although, I'm sure it could to some. Actually, plain kava root had become more of a habit for a little while for me than phenibut. Picamilon is better, though, imo, much less sedating, and has a good mental focusing effect. It seems to be sedating and stimulating at the same time, if that makes any sense.
 
I find alcohol only reacts with piracetam if you do evening booster doses. As long as you've got your daily dose down you 5 or 6 hours befofre you begin to drink then you're fine.

Even seems to make my hangovers a bit more tolerable (the EXACT opposite happens if you disregard the above advice IME)!
 
I've just been taking a dose when I wake up (past cpl days has been between 11-12) and not taking a booster dose because I don't want to take a dose later on and not be able to sleep.
 
TheSpade said:
I've just been taking a dose when I wake up (past cpl days has been between 11-12) and not taking a booster dose because I don't want to take a dose later on and not be able to sleep.
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That's sensible - it's what i do. I would only take a booster dose either when i first started taking the stuff after a long break and needed a high attack dosage, or if i was severely sleep deprived and was having trouble staying awake (piracetam is great for this).
 
Well I have just started taking the stuff so should I really be taking a booster dose to get full effect from it?

If I was to take a booster it'd be evening time before I took it some days (due to sleeping quite late) and I'd prob be awake all night, don't fancy that.
 
You needn't take a booster dose half way through the day unless you want to; it may help the effects kick in quicker so you can start feeling the benefit and cut down the dose from the attack dose quicker, but it may also result in more insomnia.

I guess it depends on how much of a hurry you are in and how much you want to risk insomnia as a side effect.
 
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I wonder if you took piracetam and phenibut together...
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I didn't actually. Is it a good combination?

I don't seem to get much good effects from phenibut. Perhaps i am taking too much but i usually take 1.5 to 2 grams then another grams after an hour when not much has happened. The results are a mild feeling of warmth and gaba intoxications slightly similar to GBL or the first mild stages of being drunk but only less pleasant. The next day i feel slightly wired which is almost enjoyable / productive only i seem to get a stomach and gut ache as a side effect which outweighs the positives. Am i doing something wrong do you think or is this just not the nootropic for me?
 
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<<The next day i feel slightly wired which is almost enjoyable / productive only i seem to get a stomach and gut ache as a side effect which outweighs the positives.>>

Its probably just that everyone's system is different. I find this to be the best part of the effects of phenibut, and take it before bed, and the next day I'm zooming, though I also take acid reducers, usually ranitidine, due to my acid reflux problem too. Since GABA is an acid, and phenibut and picamilon are both basically forms of it, it could be the reason, though I'm really not sure.
 
Day 3 and NO GOOD so far.

I know you can't expect any results within 3 days but I feel that today I got even more unmotivated, more unfocused and my memory got worse.

I didn't go to uni at all today even though I was up in plenty of time to do so. I've done a whole host of dumb things as well like putting bin bags in the fridge. :\
 
Well I can still only suggest you stick with it for at least 2 weeks unless you encounter side effects unpleasant enough that you have to stop.

Some people just find that piracetam doesn't agree with them but i would say in your case it is still to early to tell one way or another.

And it doesn't surprise me that a high attack dose could cause a little weirdness before the proper effects become apparent. You might get the same weirdness once the positive effects kick in if you keep at the attack dosage and don't drop down.

You could always try lowering your attack dose slightly to see if this reduces the side effects; it may take longer before you feel it properly but it might be worthwhile.
 
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