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EADD: New (or relatively new) RCs - Tweakier and more moreish

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5-MEO-MALT seems have jumped from the etiquettes of flasks in the Shulgin laboratory to the Scandinavian RC market. Reports are scarce thus far.
 
Mental Kenny said:
Has anyone tried bk-2c-b? I'm planning on a trial on friday, starting early afternoon due to duration. Would 110 mgs be a good starting dose?

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i think t wpuld be a good dose. i think totally managable in public too. just eat it with something acidic, like fresh fruit juice or something
 
babylonboy said:
These potential chemicals have already been discussed in ADD:Thioketones. Consensus is that they'd smell horrendous and be unstable, and the pharmacologically savvy people think there might be potential for them to covalently bond to receptors (doubleplus ungood). Also, the usual way of synthesising a thioketone would be from the corresponding ketone, which would be controlled and would be an impurity in the final product, so they wouldn't even be legal. Sorry to piss on your barbecue, but we'll have to do better than that.
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Thanks for the links mate, shame about the problems with stability and the potential for bonding permanently to their receptors. Still, maybe somebody surprises us and makes it work + finds a synth that avoids illegal intermediates (kinda like it happened with al-lad).. bk-2c-b wasn't supposed to be stable either but it turned out stable enough... one can dream right?

Not that I'd be against other compounds with the same effects :D
 
knock said:
For me, 4-FA comes into it's own at 180mg+. It's mostly functional but pleasant stimulation below that. However, others (Sam) find a threshold for serotonergic effects at 70mg+.
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No, that's the threshold at which it becomes useless to me as a functional stimulant. Unless you define 'functional' as performing repetitive tasks and / or listening to music. A lot of people set this threshold even lower (about 30-50mg - plugged - in some cases).

As for a threshold for serotonergic effects, I wouldn't have the slightest clue. I've dosed at 150mg+ before but to me it just ruins the drug and becomes like a watered-down MDMA at those levels. Not my scene. Each to their own...
 
knock said:
4-FA tolerance seems to build very quickly, it would be no surprise to me if your speed intake has reduced the effectiveness.

Doesn't seem to prevent the exception synergy with 6-APDB though.

For me, 4-FA comes into it's own at 180mg+. It's mostly functional but pleasant stimulation below that. However, others (Sam) find a threshold for serotonergic effects at 70mg+.

In conjunction with 6-APDB only 100mg+ of 4-FA is required to go mental.
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Im gonna try 200mg next time. it was good but kinda lacking. booze i think
 
It turns into a weird purple goo in neutral or alkaline environments for some strange reason, possibly that it reacts with itself. Acids appear to prevent/reverse whatever reaction is happening.
 
babylonboy said:
It turns into a weird purple goo in neutral or alkaline environments for some strange reason, possibly that it reacts with itself. Acids appear to prevent/reverse whatever reaction is happening.
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yup, seems to do just that. the reaction is reversible though, so im unsure if it s not reversed anyway in the acidity of the stomach despite what one may eat, but why take chances? its also the reason i think some find it inactive via other ROAs, like sniffing, because other mucosa is neutral.

@mental kenny ive taken it and liked it. my dose was lower but at the potency it shows i doubt the extra 10mg you ll be taking will have a huge impact. hence why im saying it has a high chance of being ok in public
 
Are you kidding, Deko?!? 8o

Stuff had me rushing my me lil bits off so it did. Speedy as fuck. Intensely so at times, in fact. But again, my doses where ridiculous and reckless. I've seen several people mention stimulation and speediness on more "standard" doses too though. Mileage does vary, so they say.
 
milage varies indeed. people always said about the speediness of mxe but i ve never felt it. nor much of the euphoria of it.
 
I wouldn't have ever described MXE as "speedy" but it certainly has plenty of low-level residual stimulation - can never sleep for a good 24h after taking MXE. 3-MeO-PCP (and 3-MeO-PCE from memory but only ever had a smidge to play with of that one) are properly speedy at high dose - manic, in fact. I do believe I spent... not sure exactly but at least one night and goodly chunk of day pacing frantically back and forth in my nowhere-near-big-enough-to-pace-satisfactorily-in flat when I *ahem* overdid it slightly. And all nekkid, wild-eyed and sweaty like wot any good highly dissociated, yet also intensely stimulated, chap should be too. Soooooooooooooooo much energy to work off that I literally could not stop until I'd come down some - I think that was getting on for 24h before I could finally sit for more than a moment but could've been longer. Probably not much shorter though.

MXP lies somewhere between MXE and 3-MeO-PCP in terms of stimulation for me. Very much at the latter end but I was never quite as (over)stimulated on my lil MXP jaunt as I was that time on 3-MeO-PCP. Even if my doses were extreme (not to mention downright reckless and no doubt far more dangerous than it felt at the time) I'd rather suspect that a certain level of stimulation and push would be present as it was one of the most noticeable physical effects for me. Almost felt more like a stimulant party drug than a dissociative to me. A lot more the former actually. Is one of the reasons I'm a tad nervy about this one cos I can well see folk getting caught out really rather seriously after being seduced by rushes, empathy and euphoria at "sensible" doses only to find that the dissociative effects become far more pronounced as the dose (and/or redose(s)) get bigger and that there seems to be quite significant differences between "average" doses and folk who push it up just that wee bit more or reach for a re-up too many. Not to mention the frankly ridiculous number of times each dose seemed to repeat on me - and sometimes more intensely second or third (or fourth or fifth or...) time round than first.

I don't generally get all antsy over RCs but this one would be an exception cos it just screams potential shitstorm to me. Especially when the vast majority who will end up taking it will never know what they are taking and it'll be just another line of random white powder amongst many. I very much hope I'm being pessimistic but I can honestly see things going horribly wrong with this MXP stuff which is a real shame cos it's one of the most enjoyable drugs I've taken in a loooooooooong time. Caution and care and hope word gets around before it gets too popular out in the wild :\
 
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Feeling this 4-FA a lot better this time, feeling wicked, 170ish bomb earlier, seems like its gotta be started off right. plus i think this batch is weaker than previous
 
kingme said:
milage varies indeed. people always said about the speediness of mxe but i ve never felt it. nor much of the euphoria of it.
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ive never noticed the often mentioned 'opiate blanket' effect of mxe either, but at the early stage of an mxe dose ive noticed music enhancement that is simillar to a kind of speediness. There has never been any increase in libido with mxe though, such things couldnt be any further from my mind on mxe. Is mxp simillar in that regard ? I guess disociatives kind of dislocate libidinous thoughts and make them completely different to speedy type stimulants in that regard ? ive allways taken mxe with varying doses of etizolam though, i dunno if that would effect the euphoria of it, ive never had any euphoria from it, but have been happy to go along with the ride and not fight agaisnt the effects of it, which i might have done if i didnt take etiz with it.
 
Ive had the opiate blankety feeling off MXE before, very nice, especially with a vallie
 
Benzos completely dull MXE and ruin the experience, just completely eviscerates the profundity and distortion and all the other good things. Best kept for getting your head down when you've had enough. Lyrica and MXE, though, is one of the best drug combos I've ever done.
 
Depends how many benzos, a vallie for me can compliment it a lot. about the only combo ive tried that seems to mix with MXE, everything else ive mixed with it was pretty messy. been so long since ive done MXE, loved the afterglows off it
 
Yeah, so do I, I think Lyrica is a great drug and sorely underrated. I usually take 600 or 900 mg with methoxetamine to taste.
 
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