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babylonboy said:
As a rule of thumb, chemicals are less stable in solution than as a solid.
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I didn't realise this was a general rule. Just to be clear, when I described PG as a preservative, I meant in the sense of food preservative, i.e. it doesn't provide a friendly environment for micro-organisms like mould. I didn't mean it would preserve the structure of drug molecules.

Is there any way, like a rule of thumb and maybe a finger or two, for a layman like me to work out how stable some specific chemical would be, dissolved in PG? Other than trying it out.
 
I've never had drugs weaken apart from LSD blotters over about 4 years. MDPV is water soluble and lasting in solution with no loss of potency for at least 5 months. I know this through experience. MDMA lasts for fucking ages. We brought back 10g is solution from Amsterdam and that lasted as many months as was required.
 
babylonboy said:
As a rule of thumb, chemicals are less stable in solution than as a solid. Freezer is generally overkill IMO, even for 4-OH-tryptamines and ergoloids a cool, dark place is usually sufficient. Greeny-blue does sound a lot like mould, there's no reason that 4-FA should be susceptible to it any more than any other phenethylamine, I'm at a loss to explain it, but I wouldn't conclude that all 4-FA samples are likely to spoil in the same way.
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Does that apply to all solvents or just water + others? I thought PEG acted a a preservative
 
PEG isn't the same thing as (M)PG

PEG = Polyethylene Glycol

(M)PG = (mono-)Propylene Glycol <= this is the one people dissolve benzo powder in. It's used as a food preservative as well as a drug solvent.
 
Daym you're right, i've been using that for 4 yars and nobody bothered to correct me!
 
Yeah, sorry about that, I've picked up some bad habits due to having a headteacher for a Dad.

If I see something I think is not right I get this urge to correct it. Sometimes it's a useful trait, but other times it can rub people up the wrong way. :! I wasn't very tactful in this instance. :(
 
knock said:
Yeah, sorry about that, I've picked up some bad habits due to having a headteacher for a Dad.

If I see something I think is not right I get this urge to correct it. Sometimes it's a useful trait, but other times it can rub people up the wrong way. :! I wasn't very tactful in this instance. :(
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Tact is for the weak ;)

You see how much fun I have correcting people. They dont like it. Hell, I'm always right so I hate being fucking corrected Hahahaha Lmao

Disclaimer - I am not always right!
 
Kronos said:
Daym you're right, i've been using that for 4 yars and nobody bothered to correct me!
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Don't feel bad kronos its an easy mistake to make where the names look so similar. Its a bit different for knock. He's got a grade 3 in chemistry so as soon as he reads the pro in propylene glycol he already has an image of 3 carbon atoms in his mind (as opposed to the "many carbon atoms" associated with the prefix "poly"). :)
 
As a serious piece of HR please rethink what I wrote a couple of pages back on the partial solubility of mxp in water. Those of you who have been plugging progressively higher doses and felt that you had maybe discovered a ceiling effect within the body have most likely discovered the saturation point of mxp in an aqueous solution instead.

Two bl'ers got seriously fucked up on oral doses, one being the 200mg plus 200mg already mentioned while the other dose is unknown (the guy didn't weigh it out). Please be conservative when converting plugged doses to oral. You may think you've dosed yourself with 500mg when in reality 350mg of that dose went no further than up your back side. This may turn out to be wrong but better safe than sorry.
 
a question.
if the mxp dissolved completly in the aqueos solution then surely anything above saturation point was precipitated and therefore noticable to the user?
im saying that if they prepared the solution right and noticed complete dissolution of mxp then the whole dose was disolved, right?
if the whole of it was absorbed or not is another question, and that depends on the plugging method too,. right?
 
Yeah thats what I been thinking about too kingme. If the whole lot dissolves and you can leave it to stand and nothing precipitates out then thats fine. The problem might come from the fact that lots of highly soluble crystal products (e.g ethylphenidate, mdma etc)take a little time to dissolve so we end up plugging when theres still white bits floating around in solution. Nothing wrong in that situation as the rest will dissolve inside us but a potentially bad habit to get into when your dealing with a product who's white flakey bits aren't gonna dissolve later down the line (mxp).

I did read somewhere on another forum about someone reaching a saturation point of 100mg in 10ml with lots of agitation etc... I'll try and track it down as I'm unconfident of the numbers off the top of my head. I wish I still had some left to play around with myself.

I have to say I don't plug that often myself - not for any particular reason.
 
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"Desolved about 100mg in 10ml of water with some heat and agitation(so can be done) then dosed nasal, produced very strong effects. Felt almost instantly with quick come up and shorter duration. Very MXE like but seemed "cleaner"."

Yeah that's the quote I found last night that got me thinking some more. I don't know what our rules say about quoting people off other forums.

This is the link to the sitehttp://www.ukchemicalresearch.org/Thread-Methoxphenidine-1-1-2-methoxyphenyl-2-phenylethyl-piperidine?page=6
 
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Pagey said:
I'm thinking about ordering LSZ, can anyone tell me if it's worth it?
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You're better off with Al-lad (Alan Ladd). Al-lad is the mischevious fun-loving imp side of acid. LSZ is the dour "I don't like the look of those curtains" side of acid.
 
knock said:
Is there any way, like a rule of thumb and maybe a finger or two, for a layman like me to work out how stable some specific chemical would be, dissolved in PG? Other than trying it out.
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Nope, even for a known chemical this is not really quantifiable.


Stability goes along the lines of ergoloids<tryptamines<<MDMA=arylcyclohexamines<phenethylamines<cathinones
 
but mdma is a phenethylamine isn't it and where are benzos opiates and barbs?



i know you were only trying to help ;)
 
benzos and opiates stick around for a long time (if not eaten of course)... should be the same with barbs.

some benzos do need to be kept away from light, and i think opiates from moisture.

but cool dark dry place should be fine for years
 
knock said:
The only problem with the "cold as possible" thing is when you remove a very cold thing from the fridge or freezer, water from the air will condense on the cold thing. So if you do keep your drugs really cold, you need to let them reach room temperature before opening the bag.
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Nice bit of "science in your daily life" there btw knock. Just incase you thought it went by unnoticed. :-)
 
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