EADD: New (and less new) RCs - steric hindrance and vestigial rituals

[babylonboy]

The name suggests to me it has an aromatic substituent at the alpha-position, which as far as I can see would allow it to sidestep the current legislation. Still wouldn't take the plunge myself. Try and be as safe one can be when guinea-pigging mystery powder.

 

[foolsgold]

they have like 3 different sites all linking to one another had loads of internal problems last year big thread in sounds like a chocolate bar hint hint with people complaining even had the company itself wading at times saying that their ex partner's ex employees were scamming people

 

[ColtDan]

The stuff I have now sends me on a right trip. Lying on the bed, eyes closed and locked into some sort of space chair, catapulted into space and on a twisty journey through different places and self-exploration. Stuff before the ban never gave me such things. These are slightly higher doses, but the lower still gives me a hell of a lot of introspection and confidence. Afterglows are still typical MXE amazing.

I would definitely recommend seeing that you liked the stuff before.

Yeah the 6-APB is a bit more expensive I have to say. Gone off MDMA though and seeking something a bit more on a refreshing side. Been ages since the last few 6-APB experiences. Might do a 4-FA combo with it as well.

Excellent, had some right wicked times on MXE in the past. Enlightening. but weird. learnt my lesson from taking it to house partys though, most stupid thing ever lol twisted times

Love doing a few 40mg lines, headphones on, music takes me on a journey

Same here gone off MDMA, gives me brain zaps if i push it hard, its too mongy messy trippy mashy for me these days, give up meph as well so 4-FA is perfect for now, hardly any comedown or owt

 

[Pagey]

Question on 5-MeO-DMT: mrcientist and I were thinking of getting some and were hoping to hear about other people's experiences. Erowid describes it as an extremely intense, life-changing experience, but we're both seasoned psychedelic users (both of us having lived intense psychedelic experiences) and therefore feel we could handle it. We were just wondering if anyone could give us an account of their experience with this drug? Is it worth it? Did you learn anything from it, could you describe the effects? Also, what would be a good dosage and how similar is it to DMT?

Thanks!

 

[foolsgold]

its meant to be horrid I was warned of it pagey and I think ive got a few more years tripping under my belt than you have . been hospitalized on lsd before when I was 17 now that was fun and cut my wrists on it n resituated in hospital in 2000 fuck that one was fun and still got warned away from this stuff

 

[Shambles]

It's one of the very few psyches I have precisely zero interest in trying, Pagey. Certainly not in pure form anyway. I've had it in Yopo Snuff but it's one of several psychedelic compounds in that and I never got the hang of snorting the stuff (fukkin OW!!!) so never really got a full dose. Can't say I've ever heard a good word said about it from anybody I know of personally who's tried it. Five minutes of terror and amnesia. Doesn't sound so great to me. But each to their own and all that. I'd look into extracting DMT itself if you're interested in ultrabrief, deeply immersive psychedelic experiences. That one tends to come with fuckloads of euphoria whenever I've used it too which is a bit of a boon. Never gotten a breakthrough dose down me but it's damnably pretty all the same and just feels very natural and wholeome some how. It is part of our very own brain chemistry, after all

that argument definately applied to mephedrone.

Although, interestingly, apparently several samples sent in to that Welsh testing place (thread on the front page) come back as mephedrone not 4-MEC like all the preban/postban folk keep insisting. Would be great if anybody had tan/white peev to be sent in for testing to try to settle that ol' chestnut. Although somebody did just that and posted the results in a thread here just recently - confirming (at least on the face of it) the "similar, related, but different, drugs" hypothesis.

 

[babylonboy]

^I hear this guy called stuffmonger is the guy to talk to about tan peev.

I've had it in Yopo Snuff but it's one of several psychedelic compounds in that and I never got the hang of snorting the stuff (fukkin OW!!!)

QFT.

 

[Pagey]

its meant to be horrid I was warned of it pagey and I think ive got a few more years tripping under my belt than you have . been hospitalized on lsd before when I was 17 now that was fun and cut my wrists on it n resituated in hospital in 2000 fuck that one was fun and still got warned away from this stuff

It's one of the very few psyches I have precisely zero interest in trying, Pagey. Certainly not in pure form anyway. I've had it in Yopo Snuff but it's one of several psychedelic compounds in that and I never got the hang of snorting the stuff (fukkin OW!!!) so never really got a full dose. Can't say I've ever heard a good word said about it from anybody I know of personally who's tried it. Five minutes of terror and amnesia. Doesn't sound so great to me. But each to their own and all that. I'd look into extracting DMT itself if you're interested in ultrabrief, deeply immersive psychedelic experiences. That one tends to come with fuckloads of euphoria whenever I've used it too which is a bit of a boon. Never gotten a breakthrough dose down me but it's damnably pretty all the same and just feels very natural and wholeome some how. It is part of our very own brain chemistry, after all

Right-o, think we'll give that a miss then, I'm glad we asked! And yes Shambles, we're gonna look into extracting DMT for sure :D

 

[Shambles]

^ Good call, m'dear. DMT is a thing of great beauty, 5-MeO-DMT just ain't from all I've heard.

Also, great to see ya around and about the place for a change - *waves at lovebirds*

^I hear this guy called stuffmonger is the guy to talk to about tan peev.

Not really. Unless he ever actually managed to produce any. I'll not have a bad word said against by beloved tan peevee

White peevee you can say what you like about cos it was always a poor second in comparison with tan. Still very partial to it (very partial indeed sometimes ) but tan it ain't.

We'll leave this debate there though - feel free to add the last word (for now - it's never actually gonna be the last word when it comes to the tan debate :D)

 

[babylonboy]

There's lots and lots of tryptamines available, Pagey, DPT is meant to be pretty great, my sample never got around to being tasted. If you have any questions about DMT extraction, you know where to come.

 

[Pagey]

^ Good call, m'dear. DMT is a thing of great beauty, 5-MeO-DMT just ain't from all I've heard.

Also, great to see ya around and about the place for a change - *waves at lovebirds*

Mmh, I started a similar thread in PD and I'm now a bit hesitant cuz the answers there were much more positive according to the folk of PD it's extremely intense, sometimes terrifingly so, but everyone seems to gain incredible, life-changing insight from it. We reckon we're going to try a very low dose in a warm and comfy environment with a bit of benzos before and benzos right next to us just in case. They really did describe it as something worth experiencing

*lovebird number 2 waves back*
And yes it's nice to be back on here! I hope we can have a catch-up soon :D

There's lots and lots of tryptamines available, Pagey, DPT is meant to be pretty great, my sample never got around to being tasted. If you have any questions about DMT extraction, you know where to come.

Oh I certainly know there's lots and lots of tryptamines available we're just very interested in this specific one because it sounds so intense and immersive. We do plan on extracting DMT next summer so I'll definitely keep you in mind

 

[Shambles]

With 5-MeO-DMT you don't get time for benzos - it makes DMT look pedestrian in terms of duration. If PD is more positive about the stuff these days then it's more positive about the stuff these days. YMMV, and all that. Still couldn't pay me to try the stuff but am mostly basing that on the handful of reports I've had back from folk I know.

You ever tried Salvia? Another one of those ultrashort duration, ultra-intense psyches. And another one I have no intent on going back to although I've had a few goes at it previously. Bit of a Marmite one by all accounts. Most hate it but those that love it really love it. I mention it cos it's cheap and legal in the UK and has a similarly mixed reputation of being either utterly terrifying, completely amnesiacal, utterly life-changing, or a mixture of first and last. Might be worth looking into as a bit of a warm-up to get the feel for those kinda psyches. Whole other world to the longer-acting ones.

If you do decide to try it, make sure you go one at a time cos you absolutely do need a sitter for that stuff cos people can often become quite mobile and agitated whilst being completely unaware of their surroundings. They tend to be in some other world - usually on some kinda cosmic conveyor belt, spinning around things, or stuck to inanimate objects. It's about as close as you'll get to the kinda level of freakishness 5-MeO-DMT provides without being 5-MeO-DMT. Superficially similar in some ways but obviously a very different drug at the same time. Intense, short, potentially terrifying, potentially life-changing, very, very strange.

 

[babylonboy]

People on salvia actually throw themselves out of windows more often than... people who aren't on salvia do. Strange, but anecdotally, it just seems to be an autodefenestratogen. So yeah, if you do smoke salvia, on the ground floor, probably/

 

[knock]

People on salvia actually throw themselves out of windows more often than... people who aren't on salvia do. Strange, but anecdotally, it just seems to be an autodefenestratogen. So yeah, if you do smoke salvia, on the ground floor, probably/

I need to point out that I've never thrown myself out a window on Salvia, but I have done so on etizolam and booze.

Ground floor is wise though, one of the possible reactions to Salvia is panic. But it is an amazing experience, I put salvia at number 1 for sheer weirdness yet bizarre rightness. It's like you've uncovered the real thing, and are finally remembering what you really are, but it's something totally unhuman, which makes it quite scary. But amazing.

 

[Josh]

I once came around from a hit of salvia by the cooker with my hand on the dials. Not sure what I was planning to do.

 

[knock]

You were going to cook some pasta, that's another possible reaction.

 

[babylonboy]

I was once compelled by my own shadow to arrange all of the items in the room into a tower. It's pretty weird stuff. Smoking DMT on top of MXE is, absolutely, the scariest and strangest experience ever, and I'll not do it again because I've straight up wigged out from it before, but salvia is up there.

Pagey, have you tried any 5-subbed tryptamines? Maybe starting with, say, 5-MeO-MiPT might give you some idea of the kind of character of the experience.

 

[Shambles]

Last time I smoked Salvia I came to in the nick of time. Took a bong of 60x and the next thing I knew I'd somehow managed to undress myself, dodge all the various wires and lines around my feet, pressed myself tight against the wall of my flat and started spinning like a top. I believe a minotaur was involved but may be mistaken. Was just spinning my way along the wall and out the door - nekkid, at 3am - when I came to. Thank fuck the chain was on cos that was the only thing that prevented me from continuing my lil spinny thing right out the door without my key. Not quite sure how I'd've been able to explain my predicament if that chain hadn't been on.

Intensely immersive ultrabrief trippy shit is a whole bag o' wacky weezles :D

 

[foolsgold]

thinking of getting some dirt cheap 3 4 ctmp come on blotters though

 

[Pagey]

With 5-MeO-DMT you don't get time for benzos - it makes DMT look pedestrian in terms of duration. If PD is more positive about the stuff these days then it's more positive about the stuff these days. YMMV, and all that. Still couldn't pay me to try the stuff but am mostly basing that on the handful of reports I've had back from folk I know.

You ever tried Salvia? Another one of those ultrashort duration, ultra-intense psyches. And another one I have no intent on going back to although I've had a few goes at it previously. Bit of a Marmite one by all accounts. Most hate it but those that love it really love it. I mention it cos it's cheap and legal in the UK and has a similarly mixed reputation of being either utterly terrifying, completely amnesiacal, utterly life-changing, or a mixture of first and last. Might be worth looking into as a bit of a warm-up to get the feel for those kinda psyches. Whole other world to the longer-acting ones.

If you do decide to try it, make sure you go one at a time cos you absolutely do need a sitter for that stuff cos people can often become quite mobile and agitated whilst being completely unaware of their surroundings. They tend to be in some other world - usually on some kinda cosmic conveyor belt, spinning around things, or stuck to inanimate objects. It's about as close as you'll get to the kinda level of freakishness 5-MeO-DMT provides without being 5-MeO-DMT. Superficially similar in some ways but obviously a very different drug at the same time. Intense, short, potentially terrifying, potentially life-changing, very, very strange.

Okay, we will definitely take you up on the sitter idea - it's very sensible, thank you Our plan is to basically take a benzo or two before we dose, giving said benzo enough time to kick in, hopefully to minimise any potential agitation and any particularly overwhelming negative feelings; Regarding the Salvia, I (Mr Pagey-Cientist here by the way) tried some of the 20X in my long gone days of youth, It was... certainly something

I was once compelled by my own shadow to arrange all of the items in the room into a tower. It's pretty weird stuff. Smoking DMT on top of MXE is, absolutely, the scariest and strangest experience ever, and I'll not do it again because I've straight up wigged out from it before, but salvia is up there.

Pagey, have you tried any 5-subbed tryptamines? Maybe starting with, say, 5-MeO-MiPT might give you some idea of the kind of character of the experience.

Hah, funny you should mention 5-MeO-MiPT...we tried it a couple months back and it was okay at the beginning and then just turned edgy, manic, made us act weird and out of character. Fortunately, we rescued it with a bottle of wine and a large dose of AH-7921. But aren't they totally different? Different characteristics, different molecule/chemical structure (albeit having the same tryptamine backbone and the 5 substituted MeO group) etc. The entries on Erowid show that they have completely different effects, duration, etc. (I could be wrong though)

mrcientist: DMT I am yet to try, but I am certainly a seasoned MXE user, once I have a bit more DMT experience, It would be a combo I'd like to explore, I imagine it's... challenging