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Truth is, most people who try it do not become dependant ![:\](https://bluelight.org/xf/BL_Images/Orig_Emoji/wrygrin.gif "wry grin :\")
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EADD Heroin Discussion V18 - Wax on-Wax off-Beetle-down-Beetle up (Hiyer zaramorph)
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hexagram
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I don't really remember ordering it tbh, must have been drunk or benzo'd, but it arrived this morning so I thought I might as well give it a shot. However I don't have the stuff to smoke or IV. I know it's heroin and it's meant to be really addictive and I appreciate the concern bodda, but surely I won't get addicted from 0.10. I've never done any opiates so I'm probably diving in the deep end, I got told I'd probably have a bad time and get loads of nausea.
mydrugbuddy
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Truth is, most people who try it do not become dependant
Now that is a bold statement, do you have any links or research studies to back that up ? I dont mean to sound rude, like I dont believe you, just that i would be interested to see more about that. Even if that is the case im pretty sure H is the last thing i need to be bringing into my life, and that it truly would set me on the road to ruin.
Up until now the consenusus had seemed to be that some people can get away with chipping for years, but eventually most of them go on to become dependant.
Bodda
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You will puke your guts up for hours, the first time I did it I was sick as a dog & ended up nearly burning my flat down by going on the nod with a smoke in my hand, burned a huge hole in the chair & had to run to put it out.
It depends what you call a bad time really, personally I was being sick for a good 10 hours, my stomach was doing flips but there is something "magical" about it which pulled me in, I began in 2001 & I am still doing it in 2013. I said the same as you but it's nice, god it's too nice
I wish you luck with it, I suggest you smoke it if your heart is set on trying it but for god sake don't go back to it, it will drag you into a world you never knew about & you will be sorry.
Sammy G
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I've heard the figure of 23% quoted pretty often, as in this New York Times article.
Trying heroin once (or even twice) isn't the same as chipping regularly, and there's no guarantee whatsoever that somebody who tries it once will inevitably go on to use it again.
kkattastic
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you will probably puke-but it is not like you would expect-the puking is quite pleasant and will not bother you and your experience that much.but it does mean that you are getting real drugs-so that's a bonus.
Nobody gets addicted from one bag.There is a big difference between addiction and dependence.The ability to make me dependent so I won't feel all the shit in my life,is very tempting.It is only when you decide to stop that you realise what addiction is.That is why many people become dependent and then realise they are addicted and cannot quit.
I wish that when I had first waken up feeling like I had the flu and I was due to meet my dad.If I had done it then,it would have been easy(relatively),but instead I chose to carry on using(sounds like a poor British comedy)-I think that each time you try to quit and it gets worse and worse.Anther big thing is Crack,for that group of users,it's very common that they will use both 'whites' and brown.This is a lifestyle that nobody can afford.So inevitably,poly usage of drugs in this way is a life sentence.But that first bag is not to blame.It is simply the use of the drugs to forget your problems-that is what get's you hooked.
Scored today and looked like the same stuff.Had a few lines(big ones mind),and I was falling off my chair whilst writing this ,so it sees good shit is about-just harder and more expensive to get.
Nobody gets addicted from one bag.There is a big difference between addiction and dependence.The ability to make me dependent so I won't feel all the shit in my life,is very tempting.It is only when you decide to stop that you realise what addiction is.That is why many people become dependent and then realise they are addicted and cannot quit.
I wish that when I had first waken up feeling like I had the flu and I was due to meet my dad.If I had done it then,it would have been easy(relatively),but instead I chose to carry on using(sounds like a poor British comedy)-I think that each time you try to quit and it gets worse and worse.Anther big thing is Crack,for that group of users,it's very common that they will use both 'whites' and brown.This is a lifestyle that nobody can afford.So inevitably,poly usage of drugs in this way is a life sentence.But that first bag is not to blame.It is simply the use of the drugs to forget your problems-that is what get's you hooked.
Scored today and looked like the same stuff.Had a few lines(big ones mind),and I was falling off my chair whilst writing this ,so it sees good shit is about-just harder and more expensive to get.
Sammy G
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Eh?
Sorry, but for the life of me I can't work out what you meant there.
Sorry, but for the life of me I can't work out what you meant there.
4x4ledbury
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Loved shogun and page in pride but why cant the legends replicate there success in the ufc . Look at wandy for instance shame fedor didnt sign to fight lesnar . Good to meet a fellow mma fan
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Bodda
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Dunno what was so confusing, but try this:
Hexagram will probably be around heroin again, if hexagram likes it, hexagram will probably take it again (I know, I know I don't know you).
Hexagram will probably want to take heroin if hexagram is coming down from something that will make him feel like utter shit when he is actually down from said thing.
I understood your 1st point but doing it that way it's even more clear, I agree 100% with you. It was coming back from raves & trying to combat the MDMA comedown that lead to my addiction.
Sammy G
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Read it again - 'or other drugs that might want it to take it again'. That bit doesn't really make sense. Though thanks for the clarification.
In any case, Bodda shouldn't be calling anybody a moron and saying there's a place in hell for them just because they're offering the advice that the poster asks for. End of.
It's fine to show concern at the fact somebody's experimenting with heroin, but to criticise other people for not saying 'don't do it' misses the point of this forum completely.
wcote
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Its called harm reduction Bodda.
Its why people can get clean needles and the like.
You wouldn't argue offering clean needles is evil..... Well I hope not!
Its why people can get clean needles and the like.
You wouldn't argue offering clean needles is evil..... Well I hope not!
knock
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Well we have two different extremes, class-a-team saying snorting is a waste and bodda saying don't fucking touch it.
I smoked heroin and I'm not an addict. Perhaps smoking is a nice alternative to mainlining it for a first timer? Personally though, I would plug the stuff if I had any.
edit: actually smoking is stupid isn't it? Vaping is a more accurate term, though I really did put it in a roll-up.
I smoked heroin and I'm not an addict. Perhaps smoking is a nice alternative to mainlining it for a first timer? Personally though, I would plug the stuff if I had any.
edit: actually smoking is stupid isn't it? Vaping is a more accurate term, though I really did put it in a roll-up.
BecomingJulie
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@ hexagram: I wrote a piece somewhere here awhile ago on how to make a tooter, so search my past posts.
Be warned, though: It creeps up on you. You can be convinced you're a Weekend Warrior and can give it up anytime, but then one day before you know it, you'll realise the weekend seems to run from Thursday night to Tuesday morning. And then you'll still be tempted to celebrate the half-time whistle with a quick tootle on a Wednesday .....
Your first experience with heroin probably won't be the best fun. You are more likely than not to puke your guts up or have an asthma attack (even if you aren't diagnosed as asthmatic -- borrow a Salamol inhaler with some shots left on it, if you have to). Have a very good friend around, or at least on the other end of a phone line and who can get to you at short notice, in case things turn nasty. Someone whom you trust absolutely, and who you're comfortable with seeing you in a state in which you yourself won't be comfortable being. Everything probably will be fine, but just don't take any unnecessary chances. Make sure your phone is fully charged, with enough credit for a longish call, and your smoke detectors are tested (naked flames and drugs, especially drugs that make you think you have already done something when in actual fact you were only thinking of doing it, are a potentially lethal combination). Don't mix it with any other drug. For one thing, you won't be able to know for certain which of the effects you are feeling are due to which substance. The only exception to this rule is weed. You can smoke as much of that as you like, after you have smoked the gear. It might even help with the wear-off.
Julie's best harm reduction tip: Don't do drugs in an untidy house. If you religiously make sure the dishes are clean and the floors hoovered before you so much as flick a lighter, wipe your sooty fingerprints straight off the light switches and never use drugs as a way to avoid doing household chores, at least your place won't look like a stereotypical drug den.
This advice is offered in the hope that if you can't be dissuaded altogether (and what business have I or any other bag head telling you not to do it anyway? We're probably all just saying that to keep the good stuff for ourselves), then at least you won't end up another preventable death.
Be warned, though: It creeps up on you. You can be convinced you're a Weekend Warrior and can give it up anytime, but then one day before you know it, you'll realise the weekend seems to run from Thursday night to Tuesday morning. And then you'll still be tempted to celebrate the half-time whistle with a quick tootle on a Wednesday .....
Your first experience with heroin probably won't be the best fun. You are more likely than not to puke your guts up or have an asthma attack (even if you aren't diagnosed as asthmatic -- borrow a Salamol inhaler with some shots left on it, if you have to). Have a very good friend around, or at least on the other end of a phone line and who can get to you at short notice, in case things turn nasty. Someone whom you trust absolutely, and who you're comfortable with seeing you in a state in which you yourself won't be comfortable being. Everything probably will be fine, but just don't take any unnecessary chances. Make sure your phone is fully charged, with enough credit for a longish call, and your smoke detectors are tested (naked flames and drugs, especially drugs that make you think you have already done something when in actual fact you were only thinking of doing it, are a potentially lethal combination). Don't mix it with any other drug. For one thing, you won't be able to know for certain which of the effects you are feeling are due to which substance. The only exception to this rule is weed. You can smoke as much of that as you like, after you have smoked the gear. It might even help with the wear-off.
Julie's best harm reduction tip: Don't do drugs in an untidy house. If you religiously make sure the dishes are clean and the floors hoovered before you so much as flick a lighter, wipe your sooty fingerprints straight off the light switches and never use drugs as a way to avoid doing household chores, at least your place won't look like a stereotypical drug den.
This advice is offered in the hope that if you can't be dissuaded altogether (and what business have I or any other bag head telling you not to do it anyway? We're probably all just saying that to keep the good stuff for ourselves), then at least you won't end up another preventable death.
knock
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good advice re fires, and it's not just opiates, I've put food on to cook and passed out from GBL, came to and couldn't even remember putting the pan on. Was burnt to charcoal and probably not far from setting the house on fire.
Although I'm sorry but I'm not cleaning my spare room before I get fucked :D makes sense to have a clear pathway to the toilet, kitchen and outdoors though
Although I'm sorry but I'm not cleaning my spare room before I get fucked :D makes sense to have a clear pathway to the toilet, kitchen and outdoors though
hexagram
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seeing all these warnings from people who are so confident with other drugs is making me a bit nervous.
I know it's heroin and I should be careful, but to be fair, in school teachers would go on about how bad ecstasy, cocaine and all the rest were and I've done them without getting addicted or ruining my life, maybe heroin isn't as bad as everyone makes out too.
but like I said, seeing people so confident with other stuff warning me is making me think twice. Think I'll leave it for the moment, until I'm in a happier place at least (I'm not that bad but I guess I'm not that great either atm, so idk) thanks for the advice though guys anyway. I guess one of the bad things about the internet is that anyone can get anything they like, you don't have to be in certain social circles or know the right people to get drawn into hard drugs, anyone with a bit of curiosity can get hold of them if they want too.
I know it's heroin and I should be careful, but to be fair, in school teachers would go on about how bad ecstasy, cocaine and all the rest were and I've done them without getting addicted or ruining my life, maybe heroin isn't as bad as everyone makes out too.
but like I said, seeing people so confident with other stuff warning me is making me think twice. Think I'll leave it for the moment, until I'm in a happier place at least (I'm not that bad but I guess I'm not that great either atm, so idk) thanks for the advice though guys anyway. I guess one of the bad things about the internet is that anyone can get anything they like, you don't have to be in certain social circles or know the right people to get drawn into hard drugs, anyone with a bit of curiosity can get hold of them if they want too.
wcote
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No.
It was an example of harm reduction.
Even by saying do not take the smack, chuck it down the toilet you giving out harm reduction advice.
You are giving the advice in order to try and reduce the chance of the person taking the smack.
Just seen you post hex.
Why risk it with heroin? Heroin addiction is pretty fucking awful. You might hate it, never do it again. But when so many people who use the drug say stay clear is that not a sign its a bad? if not worse than you could ever imagine?
In fact I would say you have no idea how bad it can get. Unless you have close family contact with it, in which case I would hope you really would not do it.
I have gone into bad places with it, but I still don't know just how bad it can get.
It was an example of harm reduction.
Even by saying do not take the smack, chuck it down the toilet you giving out harm reduction advice.
You are giving the advice in order to try and reduce the chance of the person taking the smack.
Just seen you post hex.
Why risk it with heroin? Heroin addiction is pretty fucking awful. You might hate it, never do it again. But when so many people who use the drug say stay clear is that not a sign its a bad? if not worse than you could ever imagine?
In fact I would say you have no idea how bad it can get. Unless you have close family contact with it, in which case I would hope you really would not do it.
I have gone into bad places with it, but I still don't know just how bad it can get.
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BecomingJulie
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Oh, heroin really is as bad as everyone makes out. Opiates work by perfectly mimicking the body's natural pain-relieving and "feelgood" hormones, so the high you get from them is pretty much by definition as high as it is possible to get. And it takes a cast-iron will to resist that. Also, unlike other drugs, breaking off never gets any easier. During the comedown, your body is temporarily unable to manufacture enough pain-relieving hormones to cover your background pain -- and the only thing you can do is ride it out.
But by the same token, they can just as easily get sensible harm reduction advice. It's that double-edged sword thing again .....
backroll
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Quality in oxford is variable, whites are 5 or 6/10 at best (although there is a blue one up the road in Banbury which is)
And most darks are a decent 7/10
half teenth, and BOTH for 60, and on weight (ish) so decent
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steewith2ees
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Things have gone well downhilll in my circles - im now waiting patiently on a bit of respite - its one of those that when as soon as something decent sticks its head up then im going to commandere a portion immdiately for xmas use.
To manage the low quality kit im once again having to deal with I decided to procure some diclazepam. Although I havnt had any previous expriences with rc benzodiazerpines this sounded really up my alley, cheap, long half life everything thats stopped me from trying etizolam untill now. At the very worst Id thought that they would be usefull to potentiate the weak gear im suddenly inundated with again.
Diclazepam arrived this morning, took a bout 4mg to get me sweet but once in effect I found I couldn't really complain and while not quite the best benzo experience I ve ever had it certainly did the trick and was more than comparable to some commercial pharm grade benzodiazepines i have had
ended up munching 8 - 10 mg over the course of the day (not sure exactly which - more on memory effects in a minuite) and with the help of a few bongs I have to say that the experience ended up being quite pleasent overall. For the coo de gras i swallowed my final pill around 20.00 then proceded to tuck into the stash of bags id had hanging around all day. Nod fuckin city, was drifiting in and out untill about 04.30 this morning. In my tranq induced amnesia ive managed to missplace 2 bags of gear and the rest of my weed so if i can get a head start with the house work today then there's a half chance Ill be able to source a mini sesh for tonight harvested right from the insides of my abode.
Finishing back off with the diclazepam - overall this stuff gets a pass from me - long acting compound - (im still nice and drowsy despite having slept and not having taken a does in over 12 hours) and it does wonders with otherwise average gear. Helps that my benzo tolerance is so low tho (last usage was 30mg diazepam dose at the ends of september). Unless the bum ting tackle lands in wolverhampton soon then this technique could be the way of my future - sketchy cocktails involving dodgy rc benzos and low quality bees. Merry christmas inded.
Ps. Yes ill take it easy with the diclazepam. I know I went a bit overboard yesterday but i have 25 or so left so ill be assigning my brain fallow oipportunities as to prevent the spectre of daily use rearing its ugly head
To manage the low quality kit im once again having to deal with I decided to procure some diclazepam. Although I havnt had any previous expriences with rc benzodiazerpines this sounded really up my alley, cheap, long half life everything thats stopped me from trying etizolam untill now. At the very worst Id thought that they would be usefull to potentiate the weak gear im suddenly inundated with again.
Diclazepam arrived this morning, took a bout 4mg to get me sweet but once in effect I found I couldn't really complain and while not quite the best benzo experience I ve ever had it certainly did the trick and was more than comparable to some commercial pharm grade benzodiazepines i have had
ended up munching 8 - 10 mg over the course of the day (not sure exactly which - more on memory effects in a minuite) and with the help of a few bongs I have to say that the experience ended up being quite pleasent overall. For the coo de gras i swallowed my final pill around 20.00 then proceded to tuck into the stash of bags id had hanging around all day. Nod fuckin city, was drifiting in and out untill about 04.30 this morning. In my tranq induced amnesia ive managed to missplace 2 bags of gear and the rest of my weed so if i can get a head start with the house work today then there's a half chance Ill be able to source a mini sesh for tonight harvested right from the insides of my abode.
Finishing back off with the diclazepam - overall this stuff gets a pass from me - long acting compound - (im still nice and drowsy despite having slept and not having taken a does in over 12 hours) and it does wonders with otherwise average gear. Helps that my benzo tolerance is so low tho (last usage was 30mg diazepam dose at the ends of september). Unless the bum ting tackle lands in wolverhampton soon then this technique could be the way of my future - sketchy cocktails involving dodgy rc benzos and low quality bees. Merry christmas inded.
Ps. Yes ill take it easy with the diclazepam. I know I went a bit overboard yesterday but i have 25 or so left so ill be assigning my brain fallow oipportunities as to prevent the spectre of daily use rearing its ugly head
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kkattastic
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a lotta people think that the harm reduction advice here is maybe a little over the top but in the 3 years since the thread began,how many good people have we lost from this thread alone???
Also,we should remember that the people who post here do not represent the cross section of heroin users across the country.Most serious bag heads have probably lost their computer/phone or tablet device so apart from an hour or 2 in the library,they have no internet access,so I think the 'bag-heads' you get here are generally not as out of control as the mainstream.For that,you would be better to look at stats from user led services.
They are an underclass that is very hard to infiltrate as the thing they have in common is an illegality.
How many people have their Christmas shopping done?-this,for example,is a question that would not apply to the average street drug user.they might be better asked,have you done your Christmas shopping(meaning the 5 fingered discount-saving up gear for Christmas is way too far ahead for most to even consider-most(like me) cannot hold onto anything in the house for longer than a few days at max.You know it is there,mocking you-grrrrrr.
I am actually going christmas shopping for presents with my mom tomorrow-she will look after the presents until the big day so no returning items.For a while now,I have been showing massive control.In my bank account,is the deposit from my last house and I have kept that there for 18 months now-11 of which were in prison but I could have gotten it-but i might borrow from it a little but never really SPEND it-one thing I have always prioritised is the roof over my head-maybe I am not a real junkie-that would be nice.
As someone asked earlier in the thread,who would WANT to be a junkie?well,I know of one person alone in this group who does WANT just that.Scary shit.
Also,we should remember that the people who post here do not represent the cross section of heroin users across the country.Most serious bag heads have probably lost their computer/phone or tablet device so apart from an hour or 2 in the library,they have no internet access,so I think the 'bag-heads' you get here are generally not as out of control as the mainstream.For that,you would be better to look at stats from user led services.
They are an underclass that is very hard to infiltrate as the thing they have in common is an illegality.
How many people have their Christmas shopping done?-this,for example,is a question that would not apply to the average street drug user.they might be better asked,have you done your Christmas shopping(meaning the 5 fingered discount-saving up gear for Christmas is way too far ahead for most to even consider-most(like me) cannot hold onto anything in the house for longer than a few days at max.You know it is there,mocking you-grrrrrr.
I am actually going christmas shopping for presents with my mom tomorrow-she will look after the presents until the big day so no returning items.For a while now,I have been showing massive control.In my bank account,is the deposit from my last house and I have kept that there for 18 months now-11 of which were in prison but I could have gotten it-but i might borrow from it a little but never really SPEND it-one thing I have always prioritised is the roof over my head-maybe I am not a real junkie-that would be nice.
As someone asked earlier in the thread,who would WANT to be a junkie?well,I know of one person alone in this group who does WANT just that.Scary shit.
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