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EADD Heroin discussion v.21 -- Big shout out to kkattastic :)

Managed to go 36 hours lying in bed wide awake, in between diarrhea attacks, both freezing cold and boiling hot staring at the roof before cracking and picking up a gram. I hope that's given me a bit of a headstart, the gear I picked up was some street quality crap so it's served to make me straight for now. I've just got about 12 20mg Oxycodone tablets, if when I start rattling I take one tomorrow, and then another in the afternoon and do the same for two - three days, and then go down to one a day will it make my withdrawal easier?
 
yes, they will ease the w/d for sure, 40mg might help as an initial dose and decrease by 10mg every day or so.

I actually find even after a full on session a pack of nurofen plus get rid of all my rattles and even provide a buzz albeit mild
 
breakcorefiend said:
yes, they will ease the w/d for sure, 40mg might help as an initial dose and decrease by 10mg every day or so.

I actually find even after a full on session a pack of nurofen plus get rid of all my rattles and even provide a buzz albeit mild
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really? i've never found any OTC medicine's help that much (bar immodium) i've heard taking an overdose of immodium can have a relieving effect, that might be nonsense though I wouldn't want to experiment.

I'm going to make a timetable for taking the pills, what would be the best time gap to leave between a dose? just one per day, or one in the morning and a second in the evening? I'm going to have a few 10mg vallies also though mainly just use them to sleep.
 
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immodium is an opiate anyway, loperamide.. just doesn't cross the blood brain barrier ,

Rumour (internet) has it that if u combine an overdose (eg 20mg) with quinine and black pepper you can get it to pass?

try the nurofen plus out though, they are a fuckin god send i swear!
 
ill second the nurofen thing. theyre safe to take 4 at a time so thats about 50mg codeine (plus the 800mg ibuprofen helps). take that twice or three times a day and it puts a bit of a dent in withdrawal if you need to go out and do stuff.

if youre just in the house though, you might as well get it over with. easier said than done, i know
 
Boots aspirin and codeine tablets are great for CWE. They disolve in minutes (no crushing required) and even come in a handy plastic tub that holds just the right amount of water...
 
Ibuprofen is well underatted when it comes to withdrawal. Its doesnt stop the rls or the leg ache but it makes it more managble. I also find loperamide superior to cwe while trying the sooth the rattle -during one home detox i was producing cwe solutions containing approx 300mg codeine (using 30/500 capsules) but it any effect it had would usually wear off as quickly as it arrived. The loperamide tends to be more subtle but it lasts longer, and you can do a sort of micro taper.

Dont expect any of these medicines to make the ride much easier, but they can provide the thin line between sticking with it one more day or giving up and relapsing
 
I wouldn't risk having a toot outdoors or in phone boxes
not just the risk of getting caught
but how to not lose so much of the smoke into the air?
 
pills have also saved me
now i have no dealers to turn to
i manage just fine on the pills and remain within the law
 
I've got about 50 30mg codeine pills, 10 20mg oxycontins and 28 10mg valiums so I'm more than set to maintain myself I reckon, have a job interview in half an hour and am shitting myself, smoked about half a gram of gear this morning and had 5mg of valium to calm myself down a bit, hopefully i'll come off well I just feel straight at the moment (not fucked) my main worry is i'll have a mind blank moment.. oh god I hate responsibility whilst trying to maintain a habit, argh
 
PredatorVision said:
I've got about 50 30mg codeine pills, 10 20mg oxycontins and 28 10mg valiums so I'm more than set to maintain myself I reckon, have a job interview in half an hour and am shitting myself, smoked about half a gram of gear this morning and had 5mg of valium to calm myself down a bit, hopefully i'll come off well I just feel straight at the moment (not fucked) my main worry is i'll have a mind blank moment.. oh god I hate responsibility whilst trying to maintain a habit, argh
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You cant maintain a professional habit if you have any intention of taking on any responnsibilities.

I can be the responsable adult and professional, or I can be a certified junky. I cant be both at the same time, Ive been trying for 11 years and it has to be one way or the other - i havnt come across anyone whos maintained any sort of the balance you describe indefinitely.

They either end up giving up the habit, or they give up the responsibilities. Cant have it both ways long term.
 
steewith2ees said:
You cant maintain a professional habit if you have any intention of taking on any responnsibilities.

I can be the responsable adult and professional, or I can be a certified junky. I cant be both at the same time, Ive been trying for 11 years and it has to be one way or the other - i havnt come across anyone whos maintained any sort of the balance you describe indefinitely.

They either end up giving up the habit, or they give up the responsibilities. Cant have it both ways long term.
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The idea is to give up, I managed 6 months being a junkie whilst holding down a job. You're right ithough it's not sustainable.
 
ScotchMist said:
I did it for 15 years.... =D my the skin of my teeth sometimes but hey ho
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that's pretty impressive, hopefully I'll not still be posting about trying to come off it here when I come to turning 40. When I had 40mg of oxycontin yesterday It reduced my sickness loads and made it mentally pretty bareable, though I still felt noticably sick and ended up scoring again even though in retrospect now I would have been totally fine with just the oxy... though it didn't feel like enough, I need to get a grip and stop being a bitch about it.

Does anyone ever get vision problems from opiates? from taking pills (of various kinds) and smoking/snorting H my vision becomes really really bad, have to change the size of text on my screen to be about ten times bigger than usual.
 
steewith2ees said:
You cant maintain a professional habit if you have any intention of taking on any responnsibilities.

I can be the responsable adult and professional, or I can be a certified junky. I cant be both at the same time, Ive been trying for 11 years and it has to be one way or the other - i havnt come across anyone whos maintained any sort of the balance you describe indefinitely.

They either end up giving up the habit, or they give up the responsibilities. Cant have it both ways long term.
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I disagree. I've held a job down, ran a home and raised a son all on my jack jones with the habit. I'd prolly have done all better without the gear but it's not impossible. I plan to stop over the next six weeks tho. Gonna give Kratom a whirl and the 1 p is helping with my mindset.
 
II stand corrected. I must just be greedier than everyonne else as when Im at it full time EVERYTHING else comes second - ill turn up at work late from waiting for dealers, ill generally spend all of my income (expendable or otherwise) on gear, apptts get cancelled, the phone doesnt get answered for months, nothing else matters. Id like to think that idd have had a better go if I had kids to worry about, but thankfully it looks like that opportunity is long gone, as I can only predict my future based on my past behaviour, it looks like they would end up as a secondary priority as well.

I kept it going for the 1st 3 years, but once the police got involved I was crowned cheif junkfuck of the parish, have that on ur head for 5 minutes and it sticks for life, regardless of whatever else you do. So society quickly becomes a secondary consideration in itself. Doesnt help when you look the part either. If it wasnt for the matted hair on my head and face id just be a skull on a pile of shit.
 
steewith2ees said:
You cant maintain a professional habit if you have any intention of taking on any responnsibilities.

I can be the responsable adult and professional, or I can be a certified junky. I cant be both at the same time, Ive been trying for 11 years and it has to be one way or the other - i havnt come across anyone whos maintained any sort of the balance you describe indefinitely.

They either end up giving up the habit, or they give up the responsibilities. Cant have it both ways long term.
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I maintained not just a job,but also being shop steward and H&S rep for several years and other jobs(I am qualified as a chef).for about 18years.I lived about 4 different lives.I was a mother,a worker,a junkie and eventually only prison broke my habit.waking up every day,having been dreaming of gear,to a steel door,made me realise I can cope without gear.Now I have no dealers,no contacts really.No friends either,but that's part of the price you pay when you have to put that life behind you.But at least I can finally stop lying now.It's the lying that tore me up.
I believe that us who manage to maintain a life and a habit too,generally manage because we are not at the crack pipe.I never really liked crack-couldn't see it's worth.I think had I had that problem too,I would never have coped with other things.a gear habit where you aren't high all the time,but just getting by can be managed."where's the fun in that?" you say.absolutely no fun whatsoever apart from not rattling
Also,I think the rattle gets harder the older you get and the longer your habit.I suppose with each failure,it gets easier to fail.I discharged myself from a few inpatient detoxes.Prison was the only way I was going to get through it.It was a gamechanger.Highly recommended.wash your whole life away and start again
 
oh god I need to stop soon, my real life responsibility is rising daily and so has my habit since I split up with my girlfriend nearly 3 weeks ago, attempted cold turkey but the depression was WAY too much to handle it earlier this week, I've spent £400 this week on H alone going through over a gram a day a long with a load of codeine and oxycontin I bought with the intention of weening myself off I more than not end up using them together now. I need some serious motivation, maybe if I just black myself out with valium for the first two days I could hack it, I have a meeting with my Keyworker on Monday, I already refused a substitute and still don't want to go down that route. Need some ideas?

nodded when I got in last night and had a bit of speed so must have been gurning woke up after a couple of hours with blood all down my front my top teeth must have been clamped shut on my lower lip the whole time it's swolen massively ugh

Think I might build a pillow fort knock back a massive amount of valium and try re-reading skagboys when I wake up rattling tomorrow, codeine and oxycontin just seem to be making this more difficult.
 
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it just has to be done, man. i know it hurts, its got to hurt, theres simply no other way. gotta pay the piper and all that.

flush the codeine and oxy (or just gobble it all if you cant control yourself), get some lope and bananas and ibuprofen/para and isotonic drinks and nutri shakes and whatever else, take your valium and do your week!
 
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