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EADD Heroin discussion v.20 -- You've come a long way baby

ive only ever plugged ees and rectal diazepam (no brainer that one) but ive so far resisted trying to do it with brown - i always use as little citric as possible when breaking it down but it still stings to fuck during even a tiny mised hit - really dont fancy burning the inside of my bum. I know this is the worst hr ever but you might as well have a dig if your going to do it, as long as you are confident about your tolerance and dont make a habit (worse) of it...
 
Just wrote a long post about tolerance but then bluelight broke.booooo!
anyways,on monday eve,i scored and had just a bedtime smoke.Then tues morning I woke and had a nice wee smoke and drifted back to the land of nod until 11.30am.Got up and had a coffee and another smoke and was way back again until 3pm.Then smoked normally(with usual pretty good effects) for the rest of the day.And this morning,still smoking from the same (large) bag,no significant nodding yet.
This seems to be pretty typical of my tolerance.Is all the same bag of gear so it is in myself that the fault lies.
This is without mixing opiates.When I score,I don't use any other opiates.ATM,I am on MST and use that for maintenance(although it is prescribed for legitimate pain.With Morphine,taking higher doses doesn't usually have any significant effects.When I was on meth,I could take larger doses and get a really nice effect,especially if I threw a few benzos in there.On one occasion(was on my way to prison),I had taken 500ml meth and they were very concerned that I couldn't stay sitting on the seat...which won me a weekend in healthcare.Yeah,so tolerance is a weird one,especially,IMO,when mixed with meth.Some people say that after a certain dose,it blocks the effects of the gear.Can't be certain of that,but I will say that I personally,really grew to enjoy larger doses of meth on it's own or with benzos.And significantly cheaper than gear.But easily watered down so you need a trustworthy source.I suppose almost any opiates can be 'cut' to stretch the weight.
So,you see,after 20+ years of abusing opiates,I have,typically for a junkie,learned absolutely nothing.
The first post I wrote was way better...made much more sense....but as with all my convos in life,once forgotten,I never do seem to actually piece back together what was thought/said.So,apologies for the rambling.
I would like to inject(to the convo) that I think that putting anything up your ass is a bit stupid.When I was signing my consent for surgery a few weeks ago,I was told that I could wind up with a colostomy bag.Now,I have never put drugs up my ass,but I am pretty sure they don't help the situation.One thing that I can say is that I was very,very scared at the mere prospect.Think hard about how life could be.I often say thins to people who inject.I know a few people who have lost limbs through injecting-I almost lost my own arm and have the scar to prove it.Whilst I lay in the hospital bed,with septicaemia driving towards my brain,thinking about how I would cope with life without that arm.How would I clap,drive,swim...just so many thoughts and listening to the drugs dripping through those veins that would save my arm and my life..the veins that I could actually see in the hole inside my arm,along with the visible arteries and bone.
But the fear of the colostomy bag was bad...even though I only had a few hours to think about it-emergency surgery-I couldn't even cry cos it hurt too much.Suddenly I wanted to change the person listed as next of kin.Sorry for the crappy attempt at HR re injecting.
 
Is it just me or is BL timing me out quicker?
If it is just me,can someone advise me on how to change that?
 
That sounds horrible, how long ago was this? hope you've come out the other side like :(. Aye injecting is a big risk to take, after i had done it once the stigma etc around injecting went and even now taking drugs via another ROA feels like a waste as im not getting it all in an amazing rush, i reckon the ritual itself is more addictive than alot of drugs
 
well, decided to have my first dig and am am actuallly relieved i couldng get in a vein. i did everything right, but when i pulled back there wasnt the wisp of blood. i don think went in deep enough. after 3 tries i noticed the pin was dull so i tookbthe needle off and plugged it. im tapering on a quick meth taper strting tomottow.so that was my last chance. oh well probs for the best.
 
Got some really good stuff from "my regular" (I'm barely using at all these days! Go me!!!! %) ) and I am constantly surprised that I can get such good quality in what is practically "the sticks". Jus got 4 + a rock and BAAAAAAMMMMMMMMM!!!!!! Both are proper .... proper! :D
So incase peeps are gettin shit gear still then it be yr guy's fault for still tryin to scam you = There is really good stuff around so let yr guy know that & you "could go to someone else" ;)

And P.FUCKIN.S! - Stay safe kids :)
EADD loves you too much <3 <3 <3 <3
 
Smackdowners - although its not the same thing I know but I'm prescribed pbyseptone (methadone) pills for chronic pain at 180mg day and recently when my doc gave me some morpbine tabs after surgery I felt nothing even after a huge dose (oral). The blockade effect is definitely real (I say blockade rather than block as its not a true blocking in the sense that a partial antagonist like bupe blocks). All I felt was a hideous histamine release that made me wantto claw my eyes out. They recon that blockade effects start at around 80mg. Be interestedto know what other people who take full agonist opiates on top of a large methadone script have experienced.
 
I would say that the 'blocking' effects of methadone are apparent at lower doses than 80mg. For me, having a bag on top of just about any dose of methadone is like pissing in the wind. It took me a long time to realise this, but now I just accept that there's no point buying gear anymore...
 
The 80mg figure is just a number that specialists throw out there but by no means set in stone. You hear some people (like yourself) who notice a blockade at lower doses and some who still use ontop of a 100+mg script......I think at my dose (180mg) the methadone is well and truely blocking....shame cos even though I'm on it for pain and don't use gear...I'd be lying if I said I didn't enjoy the feeling of opiates.....I'm stuck in that grey area of pain management but who (obviously) enjoys the feeling. TBH though I wish I was off altogether. Pain. Issues as side I think my life would be better ifi didn't take anything...its complicated I guess :-(
 
Yeh, there are people that continue to use on top of any amount of methadone (I was one myself for far too long), but I think that if they were honest with themselves, they would admit that it's pretty much a waste of time and money. Can I ask you what sort of pain warrants 180mg/day? That's a pretty high dose by any addict's standards....
 
Its a rare form of reactive arthritis coupled with a tumour removed from over my spine but I've been in pain management for 18 years and maxed out morphine, oxycodone, diconal, petbadine, fentanyl, hydromorpbone and every other painkiller leaving methadone as a last option...a lot of the pain is nerve related so methadone helps being an NMDA agonist....topped off with 600mg pregabalin, 10 mg diazapam and other odds and ends... and I still have an operational carreaf with the ambulance service..... I've been on it for so long thatit ddoesn't even make me slightly drowsy.... As a rule I do t abuse it but have done in the past when I was off on the sick and in lots of pain ...have gone through 1200mg methadone in two days before...... Pain of this nature is brutal and u forgiving but I've made the best of my life around it. No one at work knows I take even an aspirin
 
Fuck me 180mg that's a lot of methadone that would kill me.

What sort of amounts of morphine and oxycodone were you taking?
 
A lot...prescribed 400mg oxy or 500mg morphine but would sometimes take much more..double or triple on a bad day. All curtosy of the NHS and tolerance built up over 20 years. Might sound great but this condition and the drugs that go with it have ruined my life....I should have been a consultant by now (long story) instead of struggling to get through my paramedic exams...
My doctors couldn't figure out what was wrong so just pushed the opiates higher and higher.... Maxed out fentanyl patches at 300mcg/he and they actually lowered me down considerably to be on only 180mg methadone
 
No it doesn't sound great at all.

I have two fucked vertebra and I have been prescribed morphine and codeine for the pain and it sucks having to take opaites every day. I'm on the gear as well now, but I don't envy someone who has to take such high amounts of opiates, especially if its likely they will have to take them for the rest of their lives.
 
Very true mate and well said. Some people just see the high numbers in milligrams of (virtually) free drugs and think its some kind of junkies wet dream but as a fellow pain sufferer you know yourself it isn't.
As for taking them for life....a part of me says no-way but another part realises its pretty likely. Although there are many reasons why I wouldn't take street gear one obvious one would be tbat with suck a tolerance I would need in the grammes per day range and the cost would be astronomical. Sometimes I feel greatfull that my doctor has been so liberal when I hear of folk suffering who can't get prescribed more than a tramadol but the other side of the coin is tbat a liberal prescriber of pharmaceutical opiates will give you a tolerance you never dreamed was possible.
Anyway I'm really sorry to hear that your suffering back pain.... It really is a bitch. I sincerely hope you get sorted with some form of treatment to ease the pain a bit

All the best to everyone......
 
you can get better pain management by rotating opiates and methadone seems to be a significant part of this method, as ive heard that it seems to hold its painkilling effects for a longer time and at lower equivalent doses than other drugs. i hope its left you with some level of comfort englandz74 it sounds like you have been thru the wars and 180mg is a ridiculous dose. dont know how you would deal with any breakthrough pain on top of that without resorting to some kind of anesthesia.

yeah 80mg sounds about right for blocking, my daily 60 wasnt quite doing it, but 60mg plus 4 bags seemed to block everything else for the day. im trying not to use benzos at the moment as ive been taking the piss with them since christmas and my sat night diazepam was the only dunt ive had in the last fortnight or so.

@Kat - i used to have the same problem with b/l kicking me out every few minutes. to stay in i have to check the 'remember me' box - just dont forget to log out manually and reset ur cookies when ur done
 
It does seem to hold its pain killing effects at a set dose without having to constantly increase. I've pretty much stayed on this for the last year or so and not rotated. The trouble with other opiatesand constantly iincreasing is that after 20yrs you end up on daft amounts like I was and where u gonna be in 30 or 40 years?...2,000 mg of morphine or something.
As for breakthrough there's not much you can effectively add to 180mg of methso I tend to use non narcotic stuff for breakthrough which works better than u might think
 
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