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EADD Heroin Discussion Nininininineteen [19] (I wasn't really sure what was going on)

Good luck Julie ! That may be a good strategy to set yourself a 3 week target, the thought of giving up completely might be too much for some to handle. I know its obvious, and you didnt ask for any advice, but just break things down to taking your abstainence one day at a time. I think that helps. Getting through one day seems achievable, its all just mind tricks really, too big a goal would be too much for me.
 
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Bearlove said:
I'm confused with the terminology that I see repeated daily.


Teenth - tenth - 100 mgs?
How much is the going rate for heroin - (HR value, if I was offered a gram of Heroin for a bag of Monster munch then should I be concerned etc)
How does a g get broken down - ^ as above.
What is clucking
What does hash sign 1 - 2 3 - 4 mean ?

At what point does a person switch from snorting - chasing - injecting Heroin ?
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A teenth is 1.75g, clucking is withdrawals. I dont think there is a point when someone switchs roa, it just happens. I had a habit for near on 15 years on and off and smoked it the whole time.

Id keep the monster munch if I was you, unless you're in the middle east and its cheap as chips. Might struggle to find monster munch over them parts though ;)
 
Thanks Scotchmist - where does clucking come from? Is it UK slang as only really see it mentioned in this section.

I was sort of thinking out load when I was typing - I was curious to see if people who started off smoking quickly changed to injecting or if people could have a long term habit and simply stick to smoking etc

Whats the thing about number 1 2 3 4 ? People say about smoking or snorting or for injecting - how would you know ?

Heroin has no attraction for me (did get close a few times) - I just see a lot of terms I'm unfamiliar with that a general search doesn't really answer.

Like you say, Ill stick to my Monster Munch :D
 
Clucking presumably derives from 'cold turkey'. Or at least that's my guess.

Obviously turkeys don't cluck, but 'gobbling' would mean something quite different.

Bearlove said:
Whats the thing about number 1 2 3 4 ? People say about smoking or snorting or for injecting - how would you know ?
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Different types (numbers) of heroin are smokable or not smokable. We get #3 over here, which is diamorphine base, and is designed for smoking.
 
Sorry if my questions seem stupid (I have used a search engine but not got a satisfactory answer) - if somebody gave you a bag of heroin and your normal route was injection how would you know that its say number 3 so you should smoke it?

If your unsure would it just be safer to smoke an unknown type or would it be a waste to smoke it if it was meant for injection (would it still 'work').
 
Heroin #3 is usually varying shades of brown and although is designed to be smoked, it can be injected by the addition of an acid such as citric or ascorbic which helps to dissolve the basic heroin.

Heroin #4 is diamorphine hydrochloride and is water soluble so no acid is required. It's usually white or off-white and is designed for injection. I don't think it can be smoked because its melting point is too high. #4 is relatively uncommon in the UK.

Furthermore, I believe the numbering system refers to the various stages of heroin production, i.e:

#1 - Refined opium
#2 - Unrefined morphine base
#3 - Diacetylmorphine base
#4 - Diacetylmorphine hydrochloride

You only ever hear of heroin #3 & 4 because these are the only products which contain diacetylmorphine, though strictly speaking only #4 is actually 'Heroin' which was Bayer's brandname for their diacetylmorphine hydrochloride when it was sold as cough medicine.
 
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Bearlove said:
I'm confused with the terminology that I see repeated daily.


Teenth - tenth - 100 mgs?
How much is the going rate for heroin - (HR value, if I was offered a gram of Heroin for a bag of Monster munch then should I be concerned etc)
How does a g get broken down - ^ as above.
What is clucking
What does hash sign 1 - 2 3 - 4 mean ?

At what point does a person switch from snorting - chasing - injecting Heroin ?
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in the states,most people inject simply cos the gear they get there doesn't smoke well.
Over here,some people just start out smoking and rarely inject.People who start out smoking,usually wind up smoking as they lose all their veins.
 
Bearlove said:
Sorry if my questions seem stupid (I have used a search engine but not got a satisfactory answer) - if somebody gave you a bag of heroin and your normal route was injection how would you know that its say number 3 so you should smoke it?

If your unsure would it just be safer to smoke an unknown type or would it be a waste to smoke it if it was meant for injection (would it still 'work').
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It's not a problem anybody scoring in the UK is ever likely to encounter to be honest.

As FUBAR's (highly informative) post explains, actual heroin (as in #4) is very uncommon over here. On the occasions it does make an appearance it's either in very small circles, or it gets cut with something to make it run if it's smoked.

All types of heroin can be smoked, but not all types run. Hence the fact that non-injecting users in the US tend to opt for snorting.

kkattastic said:
in the states,most people inject simply cos the gear they get there doesn't smoke well.
Over here,some people just start out smoking and rarely inject.People who start out smoking,usually wind up smoking as they lose all their veins.
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Ninja'd by Kat.
 
as i suspected it seems the delineation between the strong light and the weak dark has disappeared into a malaise of the two that holds with a very slight rush upon injection. its great for temptations sake, or lack thereof. is anyone near brum still getting the very light, strong powder.. pinky?
 
...really odd score yesterday, its been 3 days and my guy has not anything then i call and he says to come over so i get an 8ball and put a nice lot on the jimmy and its smells rotten and bashed to fuck so i did a dozen runs or so i call him about returning it and he says to call back in 10 mins. In the mean time i start texting a mate but keep nodding out and found it impossible to stay focussed - really high and proper heroin hit. So last night put less than .1 on and it tasted much better and i nodded out like before. Its some of the strongest gear ive had for a long time and think that i must have had a small rock of cut in the first smoke smelled almost minty - weird but a happy ending.
 
BlindHelperMonkey said:
as i suspected it seems the delineation between the strong light and the weak dark has disappeared into a malaise of the two that holds with a very slight rush upon injection. its great for temptations sake, or lack thereof. is anyone near brum still getting the very light, strong powder.. pinky?
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Hi bhm , yes son still getting the strong light fluffy powder . Seems to be a never ending supply which is strange all things considered!
If only the price would drop to something near reasonable, still for £150 a baller your guaranteed quality .
Hope all my bl pals are doing well .
 
Dare I say the drought is over although the quality is not on parr with what it was but it seems even the bash movers have a steady increase in quality and 8/10 times you can get gear you can get some kind of nod off. I knew as soon as I am not in a position to be using things would start improving a fair bit, catch 22. 0.7 for £30 and if you smoke about half you can get a decent nod on the go. I hate being clean and using as one night of smoking fucks me up for at least a week, 5 days of feeling like total shit followed by several days of general crappyness, rinse bank account and repeat. As much as I hated having a habbit and dedicating all my time and money to gear and rock, life was simpler as you are not torn between using or not using and feeling like shite is standard. Even if I giro junkie it and use bi-weekly I still feel like shit all the time. There is no middle ground with hard drugs, it's go hard or go home and those that think other wise are not deep enough in yet or are just kidding themselves and down playing the addiction.
 
BlindHelperMonkey said:
as i suspected it seems the delineation between the strong light and the weak dark has disappeared into a malaise of the two that holds with a very slight rush upon injection. its great for temptations sake, or lack thereof. is anyone near brum still getting the very light, strong powder.. pinky?
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yeah-also still getting this gear although bags are small and no weight to be had.
ALSO I have used MSTs for maintenance for a good year now-had an arrangement where I swapped my benzo script for his MST script-he was prescribed an amazing 14x100mg tabs a day!!!!That's a big old script.But he has mysteriously died-they still have no idea why he died-he was only my age,so 40s.I think it has to do with recent accident he had where he was hit by a bus.Were no obvious injuries,even though he broke the windscreen of the bus.If it was an OD,they would have known by now.Anyway-that kinda fucked me up a bit as no way am I going back to a methadone script and all the shit that goes with that.
I was prescribed 100mcg per hr patches of fen-but they don't make them any stronger so the doc has moved me onto MST's-I went in and gave her an empty strip and said someone had given them and they helped with my pain(I have quite severe arthritis)-so she tried to work out the equivalence for MSTs and came up with 400mg a day,which is great as I only used to take 1 or 2.I said that the patches just wouldn't stay on for the 3 days they are supposed to-which is completely true.So now I have a wicked script and no worries about my maintenance.So lucky as most docs woulda told me to get out,right away.Now it's done,would be hard for them to undo.There is even the potential to get more should I want(maybe in time when I can say that I have become tolerant to them).Such a relief as I was really panicking about how I was going to get by.
Unfortunate for the guy who used to pay for my patches-he loves them.Weird how some things affect those and other things don't.He has an oxy script but would always pay for my patches.I preferred the MSTs.Other people I know say they love oxy and find they proper rattle when they run out.For me,I have tried snorting,smoking,chewing and swallowing oxy and I don't seem to get anything at all from them.Then I don't like crack-so maybe that is why.
ALSO through a friend,stumbled upon a new dealer,who does grams for £45,which I should get a try of tomorrow.Mate says it's decent stuff but will have to test it out.He may even do bigger weights. So all good in the hood really.
 
1400mg of MST a day!

That's quite a lot.

Yeah you will be able to blag an increase, well I say blag when really most GPs should understand that tolerance happens.

On the gear front it seems that high quality has gone in the last couple of weeks, it seems to be all a bit weak. Not bash, just not that great, and thats through the 4 dealers who constantly had nice kit. Most annoying thing is the bags ain't got any bigger!

Hope it changes back soon.
 
brimz said:
io get some fukin good stuff atm wassup lou matey ?
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Watcha Brimz , all's good mate , you ? Sorry I ain't been in touch lately but works been keeping me busy . I have to travel to eastern Europe a bit now that my company has plants there , shame they don't send me a bit further afield Asia, Africa etc....still can't complain .
Hope all's well your end son , are these floods affecting you at all ? Glad to see your still getting good , finger's crossed it seems quite steady this year !
Speak soon mate .
Louie
 
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