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EADD Benzo Discussion V. Waking up in a Wakefield skip

Bromazepam is possibly my favourite benzo. Gotta be about 5 of the 8mg ones....God I miss it.
Then again nitrazepam and xanax are excellent too of course...sorry im not even allowed to take em cos I turn into an offensive wrecked person who makes a total mess of my life and, spend more time told off .by everyone, except my lovely, soon to Mrs.Axe Battler...
 
axe battler said:
Bromazepam is possibly my favourite benzo. Gotta be about 5 of the 8mg ones....God I miss it.
Then again nitrazepam and xanax are excellent too of course...sorry im not even allowed to take em cos I turn into an offensive wrecked person who makes a total mess of my life and, spend more time told off .by everyone, except my lovely, soon to Mrs.Axe Battler...
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Congrats on your great news re Mrs Axe Battler!

I don't think I've tried or ever even seen Bromazepam, not that I can recall anyway. Sounds interesting. Was it like those RCs Flubros? I think it was Flubromazepam? So many different variations. Man were they heavy hitters or what!? Although i dont think i stuck to just one after the first go.

Benzos seem to help smooth things out socially for me, to some extent, but I don't take huge doses, and have social anxiety, so that makes sense. I still have some issues sometimes, but I'm pretty sure those are related to Autism, rather than the benzos.
 
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Flubromazepam was the RC. That lasted fucking ages but it felt like a mix of bromazepam and diazepam. Best RC benzo everr.... apart from etizolam ofc...
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I feel that us folks that have spent time in the benzo world have become similar to fine wine enthusiasts.

There seems to be something for everyone, or every situation, I personally prefer Diaz overall, 1mg of genuine alprazolam (ksalol) is perfect for daytime, it got me through a funeral last year of an old friends mum, she always looked after me like one of her own.
I do like nitraz also, mainly for the after glow the next day, I seem to have boundless energy, although I stay away from the heavy hitters as I don't want to add to my diaz issue, I believe they're harder on the physical side during wd's, I've probably read that on this board.

Going back to the dows, I agree that they are the safest bet in these days of shit poor fakery, I also agree they seem slightly underdosed, I took delivery of some this week, once opened I took a strip out and pushed all the pills out to examine them, just found the shade of blue was slightly darker on two of the pills, perfect press though, and both dissolved into a neat pile at the bottom of a small glass of water, i like doing this test due to trying it a long time ago with a legit bensedin, at the time, a bensedin would also dissolved into a neat pile, now the wedinos tested bensedin (diaz only) give off a slight milky cloud??

So, do you folk think that the dows are being faked with just a lower dosage? could they be factory rejects?

Oh and my point about something for everyone with benzos, i only ever got headaches with etizolam, whichever brand i tried, yet it seems most people really like them, although the last time I tried them was around 2009/10.

As always, take care folks.
 
I think I mentioned earlier that there is something about clonazepam, (especially after long term use, it seems to me), that makes it problematic to try to switch from clonazepam to a different benzo, without issue.

Until I was forced into opting for clonazepam as my regular benzo I never had any issues switching between various types.

But for a couple of nights just past, I tried using 10mg of diaz at night instead to help with sleep. The first day after was fine, but day 2 was feeling those flu like symptoms again.

This might be 'all in my head' / some kind of reverse placebo thing, but it's not great, w/e is actually happening.

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Same post, different topic.

I swear this psychiatrist has got things very wrong. He's stating that certain SSRIs are just as bad or even worse to come off than things like Clonazepam.

There is absolutely no way on earth that can be right. If that actually is the case then we have Drs handing out meds with nasty w/d syndromes, with the bare minimum of consulatations, and no warnings about the w/ds. And in many cases the meds don't even work. Particularly for anxiety, in my experience. Ive tried 3 different types and all were completely useless. At least benzos fucking work!

It seems to me that we are getting royally stitched up here with meds that dont even work, and that may or may not have w/ds potentially just as bad as benzos. Which is something they were meant to be a step forwards in, along with their lack of abuse potential. But if the w/ds are worse than benzos then the dependency issues are going to be even worse!?

People should be starting legal claims to sue the NHS and / or their GPs if all this is true.

But he's just probably just clickbaiting for attention and views imho.

I know SSRI w/d can be rough, but I can't imagine it taking up to 5 years of hell, as in the worst benzo w/d cases, for the brains gaba to re-upregulate itself back to how it was before benzos. Serotonin in the case of SSRIs of course.



He's also released basically exactly the same video twice in 2 weeks.
 
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Bleaney said:
I swear this psychiatrist has got things very wrong. He's stating that certain SSRIs are just as bad or even worse to come off than things like Clonazepam.
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I didn't watch video, but I am just quickly mentioning that there was some thread in BL somewhere (DS maybe?) where people talked about what WDs are the worst, and while generally people said it is benzo WDs, some stated SSRIs are worse.

I have never tried regular SSRI medication so I can not really tell.

YMMV.
 
Pissed_and_messed said:
I didn't watch video, but I am just quickly mentioning that there was some thread in BL somewhere (DS maybe?) where people talked about what WDs are the worst, and while generally people said it is benzo WDs, some stated SSRIs are worse.

I have never tried regular SSRI medication so I can not really tell.

YMMV.
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Avoid SSRI, SSNI, jury still out. But better than SSRI imo. Don't fuck with your brain chemistry. Honestly, treat what's making you fuck up, the pills just fry your brain, kill your soul, your creativity, your entire being as a person. Don't let them be a cruth because there are far too many cons.

PLUR
 
ok just received Alprazolam from same website I order always. When I saw brand RLAM1 i was a bit worried cause wedinos reports quite often shows tramadol but they seem ok, very bitter, works like benzo not tramadol but still this time I'm sending sample to wedinos.
 
The only reliable vendor that I currently know of, in terms of the authenticity of their products, and their competence with actually sending what you ordered, in properly sealed packages, (it's incredible how difficult what should be such a simple thing has become) has once again delivered genuine goods.

The Martin Dows Valium tested as good, and so did the Neraxpharm clonazepam. Although unfortuantely I have some doubts about the strength of the Nurax's tbh, I used to be able to sleep right through the night on about 1mg or less of the genuine galenkia rivotrils, but I keep waking up even after taking a full 2mg of this new to me brand. Could be tolerance but i dont think so, I think they are underdosed, as when taken during the day I feel slightly ill, just the same as when I try to switch to a different type of benzo.

Clonazepam has done a number on me, and I'm in a bit of a pickle, to put it mildly, regarding what I'm finding about the addictive nature and dependency profile of clonazepam in particular.

I'll have to come up with some kind of back up / escape plan, because it's no good being reliant on one specific type of benzo, particularly when considering the state of the market in general these days.

I'm trying other new vendors and other new brands too.

Also something a bit more positive, and worth a mention, if anyone sees Neurozol Etizolam anywhere, they are very good indeed. Proper quality and fresh taste and proper strength. I got the proper feel great etizolam buzz from these. The likes of which Ive not had since Etilaams sadly disappeared from the UK supply chain years ago. Unfortuntaley they went out of stock really quickly, but hopefully they might show up somewhere soon. After taking one I was like "I feel great. What is going on!!?" as it was so unexpected. And then I realised that it could only have been the Neurozol Etiz. Otherwise it's only Nitrazepam that will do this if I havent had one in months! But these Etiz did that 2 days running.

So much better than the Atizolms or Elipams. Which were both kind of budget generic brands I think.

In theory there should be no difference between any brand, provided the contents are 100% of what they are stated to be. But this definitely does not seem to be the case with benzos ime.

Maybe with things like paracetomol or Loperamide where it really is pointless paying 10 times more for a name brand. But the brands definitely do matter with benzos ime.
 
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I didn't watch video, but I am just quickly mentioning that there was some thread in BL somewhere (DS maybe?) where people talked about what WDs are the worst, and while generally people said it is benzo WDs, some stated SSRIs are worse.

I have never tried regular SSRI medication so I can not really tell.

YMMV.
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Thanks for the heads up. I will try and find that thread, but not after 700mg of soma. Which I've recently taken.

Fortunately I'm on Mirtazapine which that psychiatrist has rated as C tier, ie not too bad to come off. I suspect the worst of it will be weeks to months of insomnia. Obviously not a pleasant experience and very liable to throw ones mood and energy completely off track. I went through that the last time I quit benzos. The insomnia was really bad for several weeks, to a couple of months, IIRC. Which isnt all that long a time scale considering the length of time I had been using benzos. It does seem that the body will sleep when it really has to. Last time round it always seemed to be about 10 minutes before my alarm was due to go off! It's all the psycholgical aspects of gaba downregulation that take a lot longer to right themselves. 6 months was not long enough last time, but I just couldnt keep going any longer at that point. I'm in no rush to quit Mirtazapaine, it seems relatively benign and remains useful as a sleep aid.

I also need to look into wtf is actually going on with the w/ds from galenkia clonazepam. I mean, it's not the worst thing in the world, I just feel very lacking in energy and motivation, with a mild flu like feeling. I wonder if other people have noticed the same. I'm starting to formulate escape plans, the first one that has come to mind is to gradually taper off the genuine galenkias (I can tell which ones are genuine, because I feel fine when they are, but pretty off when they are either fake or underdosed. So I could start gradually tapering off the galenkias and introduce top ups of something less gnarly instead, like maybe diazepam. That could work. But I have no idea how long these clonaz w/d symptoms will last. Although of course the supplies of diazepam are also beset by just the same fakery and dosage issues.

But I cant see diazepam having such a weird hold as galenkia clonaz seems to have, where only diazepam will do, and only one specific brand at that, and at exactly the right dose too. It should be more versatile, and easier to switch between different brands, or different types of benzo.
 
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But I have no idea how long these clonaz w/d symptoms will last. Although of course the supplies of diazepam are also beset by just the same fakery and dosage issues.
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How about sourcing 5mg diaz which don't seem to be 'at risk' of the situation with most other 10mg?
I've been thinking about it myself, only less bang for your buck of course.
 
50shadesofDave said:
How about sourcing 5mg diaz which don't seem to be 'at risk' of the situation with most other 10mg?
I've been thinking about it myself, only less bang for your buck of course.
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Yeah that's one option. I think a few people have mentioned that the 5mg pills dont seem to get faked at all, or at least not as much, although I've not looked up any recent results on wedinos.

But things can change very quickly.

Atm I have one known good source for diaz and one for the galenkia clonazepams. The diaz source seems to be ongoing and sustainable. Ive only found the new galenkia source in the last few months, so the longer term track record is unknown.

I only have myself to blame for kind of boxing myself into a corner, and I've known for some time that Clonazepam has a nasty w/d profile, about as bad as Lorazepam, which is another one known for being relatively more nasty to w/d from, compared to something like diazepam. But the state of the market did kind of force my hand, and I thought that I'd be able to just switch to another benzo to get round the clonaz w/d issues.. Unfortunately it seems that it may not be as simple or straight forward as that. More research, planning, and thought is going to be required, me thinks.

But it seems almost inevitable that at some point sooner or later I just won't be able to get any more genuine galenkias, so the sooner I start on some kind of tapered cross-over the better really. Although it's going to be financially difficult too, with potentially needing 4 times as many of any other type of benzo to equal 1 x 2mg clonazepam pill. So that will be 4 times more expensive.
 
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Bleaney said:
But it seems almost inevitable that at some point sooner or later I just won't be able to get any more genuine galenkias, so the sooner I start on some kind of tapered cross-over the better really. Although it's going to be financially difficult too, with potentially needing 4 times as many of any other type of benzo to equal 1 x 2mg clonazepam pill. So that will be 4 times more expensive.
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It's not a pleasant situation, I think you have a good plan to reduce them slowly, and replace with hopefully a decent alternative, and i wish you well with that.

For what it's worth, my plug got in touch recently and told me he was stopping buying the bensedin, he said he's stopped looking given the amount of rubbish about. Fair play to him for letting me know, he must have had a lot of complaints last year.

I would imagine rivotril will be in line, I'd plan for that as the worst case scenario unfortunately.

Good luck and take care.
 
Just browsing Wedinos and the last few pages of results have been amazingly positive, with around 90% (my estimate) of submissions testing as what they are supposed to be.

This is not just for benzos, but for all substances submitted, although benzos do make up a large part of the submissions.

Anyway, my first thoughts are that either the state of the market is amazingly good right now, or that the people who have made recent submissions are pretty clued up about good sources. (If they're in deep enough to know about Wedinos, and to be actively using it's services, then they're probably in deep enough to know something about the sources.) So it could be kind of a biased sample group, in that way.

Could be a bit of both. (Or could be any other random variables, that I haven't even thought of. Maybe just a random streak of 'good luck'?)

Not sure if I'm over-thinking this tbh :roll eyes:

But, even if the market has improved, there's still certain sites that I would never use again as they've burned their bridges by sending me fakes with my last 3 orders, 3 times in a row, without their customer service being in any way helpful.

No refunds. No re-ships. Barely even any response, other than a fob off.
 
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Perkins : Reborn said:
Lots of quality temaz around here. Cheap too. Banging. Happy daze! :)
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Hello, are those off a plug or vendor? not fishing for a link as it's not my benzo, although i did use the Jellies years ago after taking e's.

You just be careful with it, I hate the position I'm in and wouldn't wish it on anyone.

As an aside, I've just been watching some benzo stories and heard the term 'Tolerance withdrawal'

I'm about to go off and look it up, just wondered if anyone had any experience?

Thanks.
 
50shadesofDave said:
Hello, are those off a plug or vendor? not fishing for a link as it's not my benzo, although i did use the Jellies years ago after taking e's.

You just be careful with it, I hate the position I'm in and wouldn't wish it on anyone.

As an aside, I've just been watching some benzo stories and heard the term 'Tolerance withdrawal'

I'm about to go off and look it up, just wondered if anyone had any experience?

Thanks.
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I'd never heard that term, but after looking it up, I think I've experienced it.

From https://www.benzoinfo.com/tolerance/:

"Did you know that patients could be experiencing benzodiazepine withdrawal even if they’re not decreasing their dose? This phenomenon is known as “tolerance.” Tolerance may develop, for many, in as little a few days to a few weeks after a person initiates a benzodiazepine, as the body and brain neuro adapt or work to overcome the drug’s effects. The tolerance or “tolerance withdrawal” phenomenon is often how patients initially discover that their benzodiazepine is making them sick. Beyond anxiety, tolerance to the anticonvulsant effects of benzodiazepines makes them generally unsuitable for the long-term control of epilepsy."

Or in other words, due to tolerance, after some time, the original dose may no longer feel sufficient, and the user may feel unwell, as due to tolerance adjustments they need more.

It's a fucker. I'm having some success slowly but surely switching from clonazepam to diazepam, fortunately my last tested order of galenkias must have been reliably dosed too. But overall my total combined dose is increasing. I was just feeling more and more uncomfortable, (tolerance withdrawal?) and something about taking more than 3mg of clonazepam per day, was making me feel unwell. I think it was creating a nasty level of cravings. Maybe that was also tolerance withdrawal? I don't understand the science, but reducing the total clonazepam dose and topping up with diazepam instead has helped a lot, and I feel fine now.

I'm aware I'm just kicking the can a few meters down the road, and this will keep happening. But Hey Ho. It is what it is.
 
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