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EADD Benzo Discussion V. Waking up in a Wakefield skip

Bleaney said:
Wow an analogue of an analogue. ETHYLBROMAZOLAM derived from BROMAZOLAM which in turn is derived frrom Alprazolam. I know most regulars on this thread will know that, but some of the lurkers etc might not:confused:

Obviously no one wants to be receiving knock off benzos, but at least at first Bromozolam was at least usable, although definitely not a great benzo. The last batch of 'clonazepam' I had tested turned out to be bromozolam, and it left me feeling really fuzzy headed, and not in a good way at all.

Chances are the effects aren't going to be great from this new arrival.

The situation is turning dire and I've now had bad experiences with all but one vendor.

The latest one does have a rep for sending genuine stuff, but my latest order was one blister short. They just said that the dispatch team said it was correct, and they are blanking my counter reply, that they have made a mistake, and my attempt to demonstrate how easily it could have happened. (Or possibly it was a conscious and deliberate thing, although of course I didn't say that to them.)

I've already previously had a slight issue with them which was resolved in my favour. Maybe they are now pissed off with me because of that, and I dont want to piss them off too much further over this one blister, or they might start outright completely scamming me in future, and I wouldnt want to loose a relationship with one of the very few remaining decent vendors. :roll eyes: In terms of the authenticity of their stock at least.:cautious:

Another vendor wanted a photo of your driving licence to register on their site!!!:sus::sus::sus::sus::sus::sus::sus::sus::sus::sus::sus::sus::sus: :sarcasm:

How dumb do they think people are? :! Who in their right mind is going to provide such details in such a scenario? :?They are either an undercover police sting operation, or just the vendor wants to harvest all this valuable info, probably to sell it on, on the dark web or something. I can't think of any innocent reason that they would require such information.

How fucking dodgy do things have to get? :|
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Would probably ransom you, especially if you complained, or maybe when they're done with it all.
 
Tranced said:
Would probably ransom you, especially if you complained, or maybe when they're done with it all.
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Possibly yeah. Nothing good would have come of it for sure.

The main thing that I could easily imagine happening was ending up with a load of fines and points on my licence for driving offences I never commited. Or having loans and credit cards taken out in my name using my ID. Absolutely not a chance in hell I was giving out that info.

I may be a loon at times, and a fool, and definitely have some moments of bad judgement. But wow, nothing to an extent as lobotomised as that.

I guess its like those Nigerian Princes that have millions they need your bank account for. Spam enough people and someone is going to be vulnerable, clueless, or gullible enough to fall for it.
 
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Tranced said:
Hello BL! Anyone tried Klozaps-2 clonazepam? I know the bensendin and martin dows have been off recently.

They taste minty but off. Sweet too.
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They were very weird and wank. Could feel a tiny hint of clonaz I'm sure, but just not it. Avoid. Chalky and odd. Sure something else is in with a small amount of clonaz. And something sweet.
 
Tranced said:
I had some lovely nitrazapam recently; felt lush the whole day after. Very refreshing, and never used to get that from nitraz.
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I usually get Arnite Nitrazepam I think. Well, I cant recall what brand the previous batches were tbh, but they have all looked the same, and they have all felt the same. (They have all seemed genuine and worked the same.)

Can I ask what brand yours were?

I find them to have a pleasant heavy buzz if taken earlier in the evening, and almost certain to send me to sleep if taken at bed time.

Nitraz is one of those 'enjoy if for the moment' but 'pay for it tomorrow morning, by having a thicker head and finding it harder to get out of bed' substances for me. One pill doesnt usually effect me very much the next day, but 2 or more, especially on top of other benzos will.

Not surprisingly lol.
 
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Tranced said:
They were very weird and wank. Could feel a tiny hint of clonaz I'm sure, but just not it. Avoid. Chalky and odd. Sure something else is in with a small amount of clonaz. And something sweet.
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R-naze clonazepam seem to be OK at the moment. At least all the ones I've seen on Wedinos have been, and also my first batch of them tested OK. I should really have sent off a pill from my second batch too, but I'll check if all the other submissions are still testing as OK or not.

They dont tatse minty or sweet at all though, just a standard kind of medicinal slightly bitter taste. The sweet and minty flavour must have been something galenkia rivotril added, rather than anything inherent to clonaz itself?
 
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Bleaney said:
R-naze clonazepam seem to be OK at the moment. At least all the ones I've seen on Wedinos have been, and also my first batch of them tested OK. I should really have sent off a pill from my second batch too, but I'll check if all the other submissions are still testing as OK or not.

They dont tatse minty or sweet at all though, just a standard kind of medicinal slightly bitter taste. The sweet and minty flavour must have been something galenkia rivotril added, rather than anything inherent to clonaz itself?
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Not exactly sure what you mean, these a Klozaps-2 or something. 3-4 clonaz positive submissions from others on erowid, but the ones I had were obviously fake after trying. Indian, different from galenika etc.
 
Tranced said:
Not exactly sure what you mean, these a Klozaps-2 or something. 3-4 clonaz positive submissions from others on erowid, but the ones I had were obviously fake after trying. Indian, different from galenika etc.
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I just meant that if the Galenkia Rivotril and Klozaps-2 brands of clonazepam are dodgy at the moment, then at least the R-naze brand seem OK. (Or at least they did, the last time I checked on Wedinos.)
 
Bleaney said:
I just meant that if the Galenkia Rivotril and Klozaps-2 brands of clonazepam are dodgy at the moment, then at least the R-naze brand seem OK. (Or at least they did, the last time I checked on Wedinos.)
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I'll send these klozaps to wedinos. They seem to be active, but it's either very weak clonazepam or a shady boring analogue that doesn't quite hit the spot. Didn't you or somebody else mention a potential bromazalam analogue that might fit the bill?
 
Tranced said:
I'll send these klozaps to wedinos. They seem to be active, but it's either very weak clonazepam or a shady boring analogue that doesn't quite hit the spot. Didn't you or somebody else mention a potential bromazalam analogue that might fit the bill?
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Yeah @50shadesofDave mentioned it on this thread on May 3rd. I only have a layman's knowledge of what I feel it's essential for me to know, as far as pharmacology goes, but analogues of analogues sound incredibly dodgy to me.

I might be competely wrong, but we're getting 2 stages removed from the original article. Obviously all these new RCs have no history or research information, or any information on safety tests or safety profiles.

And likely to be poor efforts, if it's anything like what happened when RCs were getting banned one by one, (before the blanket ban of all NPS) and so the chemists just kept producing novel slightly tweaked products to get round the bans. By most accounts on the likes of bluelight most of these modified RCs just got increasingly innefective and increasingly dangerous. Less and less effective or enjoyable, and more and more risky and dangerous.
 
Bleaney said:
I usually get Arnite Nitrazepam I think. Well, I cant recall what brand the previous batches were tbh, but they have all looked the same, and they have all felt the same. (They have all seemed genuine and worked the same.)

Can I ask what brand yours were?

I find them to have a pleasant heavy buzz if taken earlier in the evening, and almost certain to send me to sleep if taken at bed time.

Nitraz is one of those 'enjoy if for the moment' but 'pay for it tomorrow morning, by having a thicker head and finding it harder to get out of bed' substances for me. One pill doesnt usually effect me very much the next day, but 2 or more, especially on top of other benzos will.

Not surprisingly lol.
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Nitrabit 10, was the Nitrazepam brand Bleaney.
 
I've been feeling pretty bad recently, while trying to supplement my dwindling genuine galenkia clonazepams with other benzos. I dont think its just a dosing equivalence issue, as I've been getting flu like / mild opiate w/d symptoms. Rather than a very marked change in all the issues the clonaz was helping me with; quetening my mind, and all the other usual benzo efects. Although there has been a slight decrease in those effects too.

I dont think the Rnaze are as consistently or accurately dosed as the galenkias were, even if wedinos are testing them as genuine. At least this is how it seems to me.

I've recently read of one scientific study that hypothesizes that clonazepam also has some effects on serotonin, so if that is accurate then it looks like it might not be a straightforward switch to another benzo, without some kind of adjustment period, of unknown duration, that so far on days where I havent had the dose of clonaz that I'm used to has not been good. One study found that just ten 10 days of clonazepam affected the serotonin levels of rats, and I couldnt find any further info on the duration of this effect.

The symptoms are not all that severe, but more than a slight niggle. So I will have to see how things pan out.

This is a bit of a setback, as having to deal with potential serotonin re-adjustments on top of trying to maintain consistent gaba levels, while switching from galenkia to Rnaze really is a problem I could do without right now.

I'd heard that Lorazepam was a nasty one to w/d from, and also that clonaz is too. Unfortunately it seems there may be quite complicated reasons for this. And the subsititution of one benzo for another, which I'd always thought was just a matter of getting the doses right, seems that may not be so easy for clonazepam.

There may be several people in the same situation, due to the end of the reliable galenkia supply, so I'll try to post updates. It would be good to hear from anyone who's been through clonaz w/d or is going through it right now.
 
Sorry to hear about your recent strife Bleaney, I hope you are coping alright.

I can't comment on your situation really, other than I'm surprised this isn't more widely known about in the benzo world.

To be honest, it's over a year now of an absolute shitshow of a benzo scene all round, I've no idea what my tolerance is as when I landed my first bad batch of bensedins I didn't have any fall back, other than some really shit bromazolam ksalols + gabapentin which my plug sent as it was all he had, before that I think I had 8 tabs left at 1/4 of a pill a day, awake for seven days, which is when his replacement stuff landed.
Now, the same three bensedin vary in dose 100%, I know because I've had a couple with hotspots and badly pressed 99% of the time.

I've noticed whilst window shopping online, there seems to be a lot of different brands coming through, not a great experience for me, had some elikem diaz that worked but tasted like corn starch.

You will work this out for yourself, keep a journal if you can, you may help someone down the line.

Take care mate.
 
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