EADD Benzo Discussion V. I forget

[benzoman12345]

Suppose

 

[foolsgold]

it use to be till a mark place sounding like chocolate bar closed

 

[THECATINTHEHAT]

Meh...the place I got them from didn't sound like a chocolate bar (that I can think of).

I'll posts up some comparative photo's I took of the ones I was buying against one's I received from a pharmacy later. Think I only did the teva'a.

 

[headfuck123]

Just for the record lads Diclazepam gives off a wee bit of that eye twitching shit as well.

And we wonder why these were never marketed

Just a heads up that there are a crap batch of diclaz about. Not going to name vendors but I'm talking of the vendor that was doing 500 for 40. I read this on another forum from multiple people by the way..

on the topic of twitching.. is it normal to get twitching around the bridge of the nose from stopping benzos? is it and RC benzo thing? Iv had this on and off for about 2 weeks and I'm guessing its from benzos but i suppose it could be unrelated.

 

[THECATINTHEHAT]

Comparison of Teva diazepam bought on the black market against Teva diazepam received from a pharmacy:

Didn't get the opportunity to compare the Actavis or Wockhardt. What I will say is that they all appeared identical in everything from the packaging down to the manner in which they dissolve under the tongue. The Actavis dissolved pretty quickly and cleanly just like the ones from the pharmacy, the Teva's were a little harder pressed and chalkier, just like the one's from the pharmacy. All completely identical in strength as far as I can tell too.

The shere number that are available would normally lead me to believe they were faked, but the rest of the evidence leads me to believe they're being diverted, they're just too similar really. I know counterfeiters are good these days but to get it down to the way they dissolve under the tongue being identical? I'm not sure. Maybe a criminal organisation has managed to buy off the appropriate people to reveal the production technique/ink colour numbers etc, steal blueprints for boxes and the like and then set up identical production somewhere, but to have done the same across the range of suppliers seems unlikely. I reckon somewhere along the line a number of people in a pharmaceutical delivery company have been paid to fiddle the books and divert a certain amount.

Who knows though, if they are fakes they're of the same quality as you get from the pharmacy imo.

edit:slightly wonky printing on the one of the blister packs, but that can happen on the genuine article too.

 

[mattnotrik]

yeah there is literally no way they would go down to such detailing, first the foiled packaging, the intended stamped serials numbers that are different with every package, the brailed boxes, leaflets etc

actually dont know why i am even comparing, they are in fact genuine, just bewildering how they are getting diverted in such numbers. They are the strength advertised so who knows ! Have seen people literally advertising unlimited stock though,, mhm do they just specifically make them for the NHS?? or are they exported at all

 

[ColtDan]

Got a couple blisters of Zepose.... absolute shite, someone told me theres batches of them going around that only have 1-2mg of diaz in them, must be them that ive got

 

[Sammy G]

yeah there is literally no way they would go down to such detailing, first the foiled packaging, the intended stamped serials numbers that are different with every package, the brailed boxes, leaflets etc

Do you think so?

Fake Teva products of all kinds have flooded the market to the extent that even the FT is publishing stories.

Don't kid yourselves. Shiny packaging means nothing.

 

[THECATINTHEHAT]

yeah there is literally no way they would go down to such detailing, first the foiled packaging, the intended stamped serials numbers that are different with every package, the brailed boxes, leaflets etc

actually dont know why i am even comparing, they are in fact genuine, just bewildering how they are getting diverted in such numbers. They are the strength advertised so who knows ! Have seen people literally advertising unlimited stock though,, mhm do they just specifically make them for the NHS?? or are they exported at all

I would say the most likely source is someone high up in a logistics firm with the ability to fiddle the books being used for transporting meds has been bought off. That seems the most likely as they are from a range of pharmaceutical suppliers.

 

[Sammy G]

Nope.

 

[THECATINTHEHAT]

Care to back up that answer with some evidence (bearing in mind that Actavis and Wockhardt have also been widely available)?

This discussion is purely philosphical though really because if they are fake they are of exactly the same quality as the real thing.

 

[Sammy G]

Care to back up that answer with some evidence (bearing in mind that Actavis and Wockhardt have also been widely available)?

This discussion is purely philosphical though really because if they are fake they are of exactly the same quality as the real thing.

Have you tested them then?

I've provided evidence that Teva products are being faked to a staggering extent. The fact that other pharmaceutical brands (or counterfeit versions thereof) are available on the black market does nothing to support your assertions that these Teva are diverted legitimate products.

But hey, if you enjoy them then that's all that matters.

 

[maxalfie]

Do you think so?

Fake Teva products of all kinds have flooded the market to the extent that even the FT is publishing stories.

Don't kid yourselves. Shiny packaging means nothing.

Big business to be had by fakeing all types of medication these days.
Just watched a programme this morning where a gang in Turkey were making & selling fake cancer treatment drugs.
The counterfeits were so good that they had made it into the US medical supply chain. Interpol estimate that for every £1 invested into counterfeit drugs you get £300 back.
They even knock out fake painkillers, viagra, hairloss products, basically anything & everything.

 

[mattnotrik]

Have you tested them then?

I've provided evidence that Teva products are being faked to a staggering extent. The fact that other pharmaceutical brands (or counterfeit versions thereof) are available on the black market does nothing to support your assertions that these Teva are diverted legitimate products.

But hey, if you enjoy them then that's all that matters.

Yeah, every single brand of every single benzo gets faked, you didnt show any sophisticated copys though just what the generic shitty blister packs look like.

You posted some fake adderall from the USA that did not actually contain any adderall, they did not even look remotely like the actual pills at all.

Yeah I have tested them several times, so have thousands of other people who all agree they are actaul NHS diaz, or they would not keep buying them would they?

What would be the point in putting out fakes that are an EXACTY quality and quantity of there countpart? So they basically could sell them to the NHS? Theres a big difference....

They knock out fakes of everything yeah but you can generally tell.

Do you have a sneaky suspicion your roches might be fake same? I dont know, they could be.

 

[Sammy G]

Fake cancer drugs? Fucking hell. I suppose AIDS is a moneyspinner too. 8(

I'd heard about counterfeits getting into the supply chain, but I had no idea that the returns were as massive as that. £300 out of every £1? Jesus.

Yeah I have tested them several times, so have thousands of other people who all agree they are actaul NHS diaz, or they would not keep buying them would they?

Erm... they would keep on buying them. People buy even the worst fake diazepam. And when you say 'tested', what methods did you use?

What would be the point in putting out fakes that are an EXACTY quality and quantity of there countpart? So they basically could sell them to the NHS? Theres a big difference....

One reason: profit. And yes, evidently these are making it into the legitimate medical supply chain. Teva are not just sold to the NHS, you know? They're not even a European brand.

They knock out fakes of everything yeah but you can generally tell.

Except when you can't.

 

[THECATINTHEHAT]

Have you tested them then?

I've provided evidence that Teva products are being faked to a staggering extent. The fact that other pharmaceutical brands (or counterfeit versions thereof) are available on the black market does nothing to support your assertions that these Teva are diverted legitimate products.

But hey, if you enjoy them then that's all that matters.

Where have I asserted that they were legitimate? All the way through I've been pointing out it's just a guess and that they could be counterfeits. The only person that's offered a definitive is you in response to my guess. You replied with a flat no, implying you are sure I'm wrong....so where is the evidence to back that up?

I made a guess based on my experiences of finding the the three brands used in the UK that I have bought on the black market identical in every way to those I have received over the counter, right down to how they dissolve under the tongue.

 

[Sammy G]

Where have I asserted that they were legitimate? All the way through I've been pointing out it's just a guess and that they could be counterfeits. The only person that's offered a definitive is you in response to my guess. You replied with a flat no, implying you are sure I'm wrong....so where is the evidence to back that up?

The 'no' (actually a nope, but hey) was a response to your assertion that the 'most likely' explanation for these being on the market was a crooked employee at a distribution centre. I posted a couple of links to articles that document the prevalence of fake Teva in legitimate supply chains as well as the black market. My point being that your 'most likely' scenario wasn't all that likely IMO.

You state that the quality of the product is exactly the same. I don't see how you can definitively say that without the product having been tested. That's all.

The fact that they melt under your tongue just isn't enough.

 

[THECATINTHEHAT]

Of course it isn't, I'm offering a personal opinion opinion based on my experience though. I've said all along that there's no way of really being sure, you're pointing out something I pointed out before you even entered the discussion.

If you are going to offer a definite 'nope' in answer to an opinion I offer, then you need to at least offer some evidence as to why that opinion is definitely wrong.

You have brought precisely zero to the discussion and are giving it the billy big bollocks like a fool.

 

[Sammy G]

You have brought precisely zero to the discussion and are giving it the billy big bollocks like a fool.

Get a grip, son. Get a grip. :D

 

[THECATINTHEHAT]

Ohhhh, you called me son. That's me put in my place.

What have you brought to the discussion that hadn't already been covered?