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EADD Benzo Discussion V. I forget

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benzoman12345 said:
I cold turkeyed what I thought was 50 - 100mgs of Valium per day and it was, but it was also XXXXXXXmgs of Phenzepam in the same tablets,

Fuckin painful shit in hospital for a week and they wouldn't let me out without a script
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Do you not understand what addiction is? You're physically and mentally dependent on benzodiazepines, when you quit you suffer from severe withdrawal yet you seem to think because you have a prescription and a psychiatric condition you can't be called an addict. Accept the fact that you're addicted to benzos and quit arguing with people, your arguments are getting less and less coherent.
 
I disagree to an extent, there's a difference between physical dependence and addiction in my eyes. You're right in saying that just because you have a prescription it doesn't mean you're not an addict though.

Given the very small amount I know about him from what he's posted, I would say he is at least heading down the path towards addiction rather than just physical dependence in my eyes.

Just my opinion though, not gospel by any means.
 
It is just physical dependance ,

I went through a bad patch of addiction when I was 18-19

But now it's back to just normal medication

I'm not arguing with anybody lol, I know who and what I am
 
ive been scripted 14 2mg clonaz every 28 days for the last six months had my review and the doc is keeping an eye on me wanting them to make them last six weeks i really dont take them for recreation it just helps with my anxiety which is why i was an alky for the last 15 years ive been off booze for 4 years and thats why the doc caved and gave me the script any way ive started to get a bit dependant on them and i find if i go 2 days with out one i get more anxiety mind you i smoke a small amount of weed every night.question is do i buy a few etiz to bridge the gap or as i think will it make my tolerance worse?? or shall i knock the weed on the head and just deal with the anxiety until it wears off then go back to using them more responsibly will my tolerance be lower? i dont want to end up taking 4mg a day because i know its a slippery slope.
Any input greatfully received.......:)
 
Adding etizolam to 'bridge the gap' is just another way of saying adding etizolam to 'develop a full scale dependency'.
 
Agreed. "Topping up" a script is a fast-track to turning a dependency into a full-blown addiction I'd say. If you can learn to deal with the anxiety from skipping a dose or falling short that is a far, far better way of going about things. If weed helps I wouldn't personally consider that a huge problem unless it becomes another crutch and ends up causing more harm than good cos you are in a situation where you need both weed and your script to get by. I have always found benzos to be highly effective for anxiety but only when I use them very specifically for that and don't take them on days where the anxiety is not so much of a problem. Taken daily you inevitably become tolerant and start to either need to go back to the doc hoping to get your pill count raised or to start looking for alternatives like buying from vendors or using other substances to "bridge the gap" as you say.

Obviously I don't know your situation but if there are days where anxiety is not such a problem (days where you're basically sitting around not having to get into situations which may trigger anxiety attacks, for example) then I'd suggest skipping your dose on those days. I also found that simply having benzos on me meant I didn't always actually need to take them - simply knowing there was a solution at immediate hand if I really needed it meant I needed it less often. If it's possible to have your dose on you but only take it if you feel you really do need it rather than taking it in case you need it that will also help keep tolerance in check and perhaps even help to find coping strategies other than scripted ones over time.
 
I think there is an increasing tendency in society for people to mix up regular anxiety with having some sort of disorder that needs medicating. I'm not pointing fingers anywhere here so no one lose their shit over me saying this, but it just seems that people think the fact they get a bit anxious in social situations means they have a disorder and as such such chuck benzos down their neck all the time.
 
I don't disagree but I don't think everybody should be made to suffer because docs used to dish benzos out willy-nilly (much as they do now with SSRIs for mostly the exact same problems). There are people for whom benzos are the best option. Not half as many who think that benzos are their best option but they do exist and have been rather screwed by things that were never their fault. Docs seem kinda prone to jumping on bandwagons and prescribing the script de jour for anything they don't feel is serious enough to deserve real treatment but know the patient won't be happy with nothing so chuck 'em a benzo script a couple decades back or an SSRI script more recently. SSRIs and SNRIs really don't agree with me and just don't seem appropriate for my needs (more so in the past - I've been quite a lot better recently) whilst benzos always worked a treat (once I stopped abusing them 8)). I agree people can be too keen to pathologise personality traits and social issues that may well be better dealt with by other means but I would also say that docs have gone too far the other way in terms of flatly refusing to script benzos under any but the most extreme situations or simply to taper from existing dependency.
 
omen_owen mk2 said:
I think there is an increasing tendency in society for people to mix up regular anxiety with having some sort of disorder that needs medicating. I'm not pointing fingers anywhere here so no one lose their shit over me saying this, but it just seems that people think the fact they get a bit anxious in social situations means they have a disorder and as such such chuck benzos down their neck all the time.
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Agreed

Ive had anxiety on and off all my life, know quite a few people who have as well, mine seems to have subsided with age and easing off meph, could probs get a script if i wanted to, fuck that though. would hate to be on a benzo script
 
Just for the record lads Diclazepam gives off a wee bit of that eye twitching shit as well.

And we wonder why these were never marketed
 
does no one ever wonder where the never ending supply of nhs teva diaz and actavis 10mg get diverted from?? always in there full NHS box with leaflet box in brail and all... been a constant supply from many different places now for actually cheaper than generic benzos for the same price.

People selling there script? cant be.. seems to be limitless or so im told
 
Good fakes bro, doesn't mean they aint Diazepam :)

I aint tried em though so can't comment, I get Actavis out the chemist and been questioning that a bit cause of this because the blisters of 5mg Actavis can come in 2 different boxes and that's out the same chemist.
 
no chance they are fakes, that are exact replicas of the NHS lot, from the leaflet, to the box with brail on it, to the non-translucent packaging.... anyway im not complaining they are fucking sweet. :)

have put real ones vs the ones buy on black market and are deffo the same.. beats the generics anyway get what you pay for :)
 
£15 - 20 a box or something for 10s if I'm right, it's not bad for grabbing the odd box but not like if you wanted to buy 100 10mg Valium
 
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