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EADD Benzo Discussion V. I forget

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if anything the holes should let mould in/and speed its growth but someone correct me if I'm wrong. Also I remember being told that PG used to be vaporised into hospitals as an antibacterial so maybe it could be more difficult to yield mould off than we think.
 
Knock stated that PG is not a suitable breeding ground for bacteria. Not exactly sure about the difference between mould and bacteria, other than that you can see one ot them with the naked eye. I think i might try a mixture of storage vessels, some with air holes, some without. Maybe this big batch idea wasnt such a good idea after all, maybe im just worrying unduly and it will be fine for 20 years or something. I really have no idea.
 
fair enough, not much else you can do. Only thing id worry about is the ones with holes evaporating thus becoming more potent per ml. Iv been over 24 hours without pyraz, had a few drops of etiz solution and some valerian root to sleep last night. Don't feel too bad today, gona try hold off any benzo until tonight and if i do take any it will just be the same as last night. The end is in sight! :) btw good luck with your taper MDB!
 
Cheers HF, yeah i may not bother with the holes after all. I'm reasonably confident that the etiz should be fine for as long as it takes me to taper. I've been faffing about too much this year and wasted almost 3 months so that quitting by mid summer might now be a bit ambitious. I dunno, if i seriously get cracking right now it may still be doable. I think stopping round about mid - late summer time at the worse is very important. I cant think of anything worse than stopping at the most depressing time of year; early winter.
 
Your right its definitely doable if you just actually do it. I found making a written taper on paper or on your computer makes it more achievable. No point in trying to pin point a certain date you want to be off them by though because it could be a disappointment or could lead to you taking longer than you need. I found I was able to taper faster than i thought I could. It also helps to listen to your body if that makes sense, like once u reduce your dose to analyse how you feel and sometimes its better than you expect and by doing that you should be able to gauge what you can manage in the next dose reduction. Its amazing how the body adjusts if you can be patient, again good luck!
 
Cheers. Im not sure if this latest batch is weaker than the last for w/e reason or if im just imagining it. I got to sleep fine and slept through the night fine on what has become my usual bedtime 11mg. I think it will be relatively easy to get that dose slashed. The early evening dose is a bit more iffy, i was fine on 1mg when on kratom, but feel that i need 2mg atm, otherwise i'm all at sea. I suspect it's gonna be a voyage one way or another w/e happens. But the idea of gradual reductions make the whole thing seem achievable. I want to get my dose massively reduced even if i dont necessarily manage to stop completely in the ideal time frame. I get what you mean about listening to your body, and listening to your mind also.
 
Got 100 blue MSJs today and I wont be spending stupid money on daft blister packs again as long as they're about, they're bang on :)

Gutted that I have to give 50 of em to a relative but I'll probably get 1000 for the medicine cabinet while the goings good :)
 
I always hear people bitching abut those msj's but every time iv had them I've been impressed. The only complaint would be maybe that they can vary a bit in dosage. Since sat iv only had 3 drops of my etiz solution before bed each night which probably only worked as a placebo. If I can't get to sleep tonight il use some phenegran instead so my body/mind can return to its normal ways without benzos. Rebound wasn't as bad as i expected, i did have nausea for around a week which could be anxiety or completely unrelated, its gone now though :)
 
Glad to hear things are getting better bro, yeah the MSJs defoe vary in strength, sometimes the yellows can feel stronger than the blues but either way if u get the real ones (I did :) ) they are packed with Diazepam.
 
Thanks mate, just hope I can keep the benzo use for when i really need them like trips going sour/comedowns. Aye those msj's always had the nice diaz taste :)
 
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I always hear people bitching abut those msj's but every time iv had them I've been impressed. The only complaint would be maybe that they can vary a bit in dosage. Since sat iv only had 3 drops of my etiz solution before bed each night which probably only worked as a placebo. If I can't get to sleep tonight il use some phenegran instead so my body/mind can return to its normal ways without benzos. Rebound wasn't as bad as i expected, i did have nausea for around a week which could be anxiety or completely unrelated, its gone now though :)
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glad to hear its going well mate! keep it up, im doing the same, halved my bupe dose now, the end is indeed insight! (and just in time for festival season :D )
 
Not posted on this site in a while, anyway im on my 8th day cold turkey off vals, i been on 2mg for a while and just decided to bite the bullet. Compared to the first time i stopped taking them the withdrawels aint in the same league. I was defeated by day 5 the first time because it was too unbearble. This time round i just feel a bit energetic like my mind dabbed a little speed but i been smoking bare weed to help me sleep.

The insomnia isnt bad, the only time i had trouble getting to sleep was on monday night when i had fk all weed lol took me 3 hours to sleep. But my mind was feeling fkn active. Just gotta make it past the 200 hour mark and i can say there is no more of this filth in my system

Even my doc said he would rather i just smoked weed every day then take another val ever again ha
 
That is encouraging to hear DS. I thought that it was meant to be more difficult second time round. I've only got my etiz down to 6mg for a little while on occasion since i started taking ever bigger doses. As I was thinking that it would be worse second time round I havent really 'got my skates on' with the taper yet. But that gives me much more hope. Apparently etiz is more forgiving that traditional benzos, as its a thieno-benzo thingy tolerance is meant to be easier to reverse. I just need to fucking get on with it.
 
Nah not for me, the first time i was doing like 30 mg an average each day, Sometimes 50 mg hit rock bottom fast. This second time round seems like a piece of piss once your on a low dose its 90 percent mental. i been on vals for like 9 months though so its going to be easier for me to quit then someone who has been on them for alot longer

I just asked myself if you take away the fear, what am i really left wth? Just a little speedy brain and thats it not even my moods are effected surprisingly. Last night i slept for like 10 hours that was impossible most the time on 2mg
 
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Shambles said:
Perhaps a good warning to those starting off on their innocent-enough, perfectly sensible benzo path. They are sneaky buggers cos they are so damnably handy. It's way too easy to start using them when you really don't need to. Most of us will have had anxiety issues and it's very tempting to just pop another pill to make 'em all go away. Same with insomnia. It's why I'm emphasising keeping strictly to an "as required" - as in genuinely required, no "would be nice" - dosing regime right from Day One. Benzo addiction really is no joke and it's horribly easy to slip into without even noticing. One to always be wary around and treat with the utmost respect. They really do reward you for it and blimey do they punish you if you don't.
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Yeah its the same with everyone, its like when you say Errr im not going to addicted to cigs. Yeah you will and benzo's are just so much more worse, the withdrawels will teach you meening of desperation thats for sure.

I dont know one person that has used Benzo's responsibly.
 
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Yeah its the same with everyone, its like when you say Errr im not going to addicted to cigs. Yeah you will and benzo's are just so much more worse, the withdrawels will teach you meening of desperation thats for sure.

I dont know one person that has used Benzo's responsibly.
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What these two guys said. Also the potential to re-dose with benzos is stupidly high in my (short) experience. Don't drink with them either.
 
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Apparently etiz is more forgiving that traditional benzos, as its a thieno-benzo thingy tolerance is meant to be easier to reverse. I just need to fucking get on with it.
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I don't know who the fuck said that. I would etiz as the worst for withdrawals put against almost any benzo. The only exception for me was zolpidem which crippled me. Maybe mushier benzo's like Lorazepam and clonazepam are equal in severity but personally I'd come off valies or xanax over etiz every fuckin time. Etiz are too dirty. This is science jargon for hitting every receptor under the sun. Alcohol is the "dirtiest" of all downers, hence the reason over half of hardcore alcoholics will die going cold turkey if they don't substitute in some librium.

I don't wanna sound like a broken record but variety is the key to beating tolreance. Never take the same drug two days in a row unless you want a tolerance. I can go into as much detail as anyone wants but bottom line is get yourself a bag a pyrazolam and start alternating. I've been doing this shit every since my first neuroscience/pharmacology lecture. Tapering down on a single substance is nutts. Its like travelling to liverpool from cornwall via austria. Make life easy on yourself.

I don't give a fuck what any GP or drugs counsellor says. I never come across one yet that had anything on me other than credentials. Plus a degree in neuroscience and a degree in chemistry is nothing to sneeze at either, not meaning to brag because I loathe the current education system and that goes all the way up the ladder to masters and phd's.

I hope I'm sounding like I'm having a dig. I consider you one of my closest pals on this forum, and I like to think the feeling is mutual, that's the only reason I'm getting so animated.
 
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I agree that rotating benzos is the best way to keep them working if genuinely need them every day but you have to be careful that you're not jumping too high up the ladder then back down again , like doing 30mgs Diazepam per day for a week then 6mg Clonazepam for a week and expecting your Diazepam to work the same again, aint gna happen !

Clonazepam and Xanax use made no amount of Diazepam do anything for me when I ran out other than not take a seizure, it IS far too easy to re-dose on long acting benzos like Valium or Clonaz or the new Diclazepam when there is absolutely no need, I've done it myself and I reckon 90% of benzo users have, but I learned from it, I try my very best to take as little as possible, my anxiety is so bad that I've even started staying in the house a few days a week and taking less so that I can have more for when I really need em when I go out,

I may actually try rotating long acting benzos, Diazepam, Clonazepam, Pyrazolam and Diclazepam, Xanax for emergencies only, and perhaps Zolpidem for sleep emergencies !
I wonder if anyone else thinks this would be a good idea or is my imagination running away with itself lol...
 
has anyone done diclazepam? Do you get it in pills or powder form? How would it compare to Etiz?

I need some benzos but I'd rather not take any more etiz because of the potential for re-dosing and abuse and also the blue coloring that's on the pills makes me feel sick just thinking about it.
 
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