EADD Benzo Discussion V. I forget

[Shambles]

^ To be fair, it's been years since I used moggies but that's largely cos when I did it was just an endless loop of blackouts and zombification. A bit like being in a permanent state of intense benzo hangover. Which I suppose it was more or less. Too heavy for any use I have for benzos but I know they certainly have their fans.

Xanax from uk £1.9 per 1mg bar
Xanax from north america ~£1.20 per 2mg bar
Xanax from north america ~£0.70 per 1mg bar

Nitrazepam from India ~£0.65 per 10mg bar
Nitrazepam from n america ~£0.60 per 5mg bar

Hmm looking at Kenny's recent posts of how many you'd take recreationally maybe it would add up!

Ah right. Not spectacularly cheap then. Probably about average from the little I know of benzo pricing. Benzos are most definitely best used strictly occasionally "as required" rather than in any kinda habitual fashion. The benefits are many and varied - they really are a brilliant family of drugs that are incredibly useful for all kindsa stuff - but all those benefits disappear and - worse - have the reverse effect if you abuse them. What once calmed you and relieved anxiety now has you on edge and paranoid, what once got you to sleep of a night now has you with interminable insomnia. Once tolerance sets in the doses go up and up and the beneficial effects go down and down until there are no beneficial effects bar keeping w/d at bay until the time comes to bite the bullet and taper/quit. And that's quite the process with benzos cos w/d can be genuinely hazardous - life-threatening even.

Sounds like you don't have huge experience with benzos, best thing is to keep it that way permanently. Stick to occasional, practical use and avoid binging or becoming reliant upon them for whatever effect it is you are requiring. They're great for anxiety and insomnia, but only short-term - ideally one-off instances. As long as you use them sensibly you'll have no problems and will reap the rewards consistently when you really need them

 

[Uncle Robert]

Ah fair do's.

You're right I'd get a nul points for my benzo knowledge. Seen them mentioned for years but never known anything about them, until last night I stumbled across a thread about speed comedowns and saw all these z's x's pams and lams being thrown around so decided to look into it. I'm not one to self medicate so doubt I'd use them in everyday life, but if I can enjoy the odd speed session during the day without having to put up with it at night then I'm interested .

 

[Mental Kenny]

I'm not too keen to see the arrival of powdered flubromazepam. I think it could be a disaster on par with phenazepam; possibly even worse due to its recreational appeal.

I took it for a short period last autumn and ended up doing lots of stupid and regrettable shit, and that was at 'responsible' doses.

I don't see the issue, if it were active in the single mg range like other benzos I obviously wouldn't have ordered it, but here we're talking about something where 4 pellets(4mgs each) would be the bare minimum for me to feel anything.

I don't even intend of making a liquid solution, I'll just scale it like any other chem and make my own capsules, I have 100 mgs on the way, so that would be ten gel caps, don't see what the potential problems could be.

True I could just eat the whole bag of powder, but at the end of the day I could do the same with a bag of pellets, eating 30 of them in one go.

I think the issue with powder benzos is with the strong by weight ones.

 

[mydrugbuddy]

i had all those years of enduring speed, E and meph comedowns when they could have been avoided with the use of benzos. I first bought some etiz just to help with meph comedowns, i wasnt expecting to like the stuff as much as i did. Took me completely by surprise.

 

[Sammy G]

I don't see the issue, if it were active in the single mg range like other benzos I obviously wouldn't have ordered it, but here we're talking about something where 4 pellets(4mgs each) would be the bare minimum for me to feel anything.

I don't even intend of making a liquid solution, I'll just scale it like any other chem and make my own capsules, I have 100 mgs on the way, so that would be ten gel caps, don't see what the potential problems could be.

True I could just eat the whole bag of powder, but at the end of the day I could do the same with a bag of pellets, eating 30 of them in one go.

I think the issue with powder benzos is with the strong by weight ones.

It's not flubromazepam's potency that worries me as much as the half-life and its tendency to creep up on you. I found it would drastically alter my behaviour while I felt fine, which is not so much of a problem for me with traditional benzos or etizolam.

Obviously somebody who takes your approach is less likely to come to harm, but remember that just one 'responsible' dose can precipitate further irresponsible dosing, which is when people start to do things like dipping their finger in the bag.

 

[Mental Kenny]

It's not flubromazepam's potency that worries me as much as the half-life and its tendency to creep up on you. I found it would drastically alter my behaviour while I felt fine, which is not so much of a problem for me with traditional benzos or etizolam.

Obviously somebody who takes your approach is less likely to come to harm, but remember that just one 'responsible' dose can precipitate further irresponsible dosing, which is when people start to do things like dipping their finger in the bag.

Quote: " but remember that just one 'responsible' dose can precipitate further irresponsible dosing, which is when people start to do things like dipping their finger in the bag."

Yes but that happens with pills too, I can't count the amount of times I woke up next to empty etilaam blisters and had no recollection of redosing. Due to the low potency by weight of flubromazepam, as long as people take the sensible way and only order small amounts at a time like me (100mgs), things should be fine. Obviously if people were to order grams of the stuff then all hell could break loose.

I think vendors should probably have maximum amount orders for some chemicals they sell.

 

[Shambles]

i had all those years of enduring speed, E and meph comedowns when they could have been avoided with the use of benzos. I first bought some etiz just to help with meph comedowns, i wasnt expecting to like the stuff as much as i did. Took me completely by surprise.

Perhaps a good warning to those starting off on their innocent-enough, perfectly sensible benzo path. They are sneaky buggers cos they are so damnably handy. It's way too easy to start using them when you really don't need to. Most of us will have had anxiety issues and it's very tempting to just pop another pill to make 'em all go away. Same with insomnia. It's why I'm emphasising keeping strictly to an "as required" - as in genuinely required, no "would be nice" - dosing regime right from Day One. Benzo addiction really is no joke and it's horribly easy to slip into without even noticing. One to always be wary around and treat with the utmost respect. They really do reward you for it and blimey do they punish you if you don't.

 

[Mental Kenny]

^Yeah etizolam WDs were the worst I ever suffered, ever. So prolonged too.

The sense of depersonalization, fucked me the most, felt like nothing was real and I was living somebody else's life. Plus not being able to eat for ages.

Benzos are great occasionally but yeah, total need to thread with care

 

[blondin]

I see myself as really lucky , as a long time H user i have never had 'issues' with benzo's i get 21 blues scripted a month but tend to just binge at w/e as i have hardly any tollerance 2 and a few wines sees me off. I use to get 50mg oxazepam off a mate - now they were strong and a bit morish but I find that as i tend to use benzo's with booze or h I just conk out after 2-3. I did have one unfortunate incident where i woke up in a ditch in my pants and my hair dyed green after a day of restoril/valium but that was many years ago.

 

[steewith2ees]

I see myself as really lucky , as a long time H user i have never had 'issues' with benzo's i get 21 blues scripted a month but tend to just binge at w/e as i have hardly any tollerance 2 and a few wines sees me off. I use to get 50mg oxazepam off a mate - now they were strong and a bit morish but I find that as i tend to use benzo's with booze or h I just conk out after 2-3. I did have one unfortunate incident where i woke up in a ditch in my pants and my hair dyed green after a day of restoril/valium but that was many years ago.

First time I managed to get any benzodiazepine off my gp was oxazepam. I fucking hated them - too short a half life so I was straight back to the docs complaining about rebound anxiety. This was during the height of my anxiety and I think the doc was sick of me at that point so he sent me away 3 boxes of 28 x 5mg diazapam. Result!

 

[headfuck123]

how long should etiz last in a pg solution?

 

[mydrugbuddy]

months and months. Apparently PG isnt a suitable breeding ground for bacteria. I usually make between 300-600mg batches. But next time im gonna use a whole 2 grams with one litre of PG. This should see me through my taper with plenty left to spare. I keep it in the fridge, and have only been ill once in the 2 years or so that ive been doing this, and that was through re-using a disposable oral syringe. I now use a new syringe every time.

 

[headfuck123]

ah ok, cheers. its just i have a couple bottles of etiz solution and i don't take etiz anymore as I'm on the road to being benzo free at the min with my pyraz taper. hopefully they last and i can use them if and when needed in the future.

 

[mydrugbuddy]

I wish i could give you a definitive answer, but i know from personal experience that it will keep just fine for 3-4 months. I think thats about how long it takes me to get through a batch, but I cant see any reason why it shouldnt last longer. If bacteria cant grow in PG then there's nothing to worry about on that front. I dunno if etiz degrades in PG over time. I guess I'm a kind of pioneer with this relatively big batch Im gonna make next, and will be one of the first people to discover exactly how long etiz can be safely and effectively stored in PG. (AFAIK) I havent been browsing the etiz megathreads or using the OD forum much recently. Its allready taught me all i nnede to know.

 

[headfuck123]

time will tell i suppose thanks for the info tho!

 

[AcidTrippin]

Although it's Wikipedia I found this when first looking at PG:

"Propylene glycol is considered generally recognized as safe (GRAS) by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration, and it is used as an humectant (E1520), solvent, and preservative in food and for tobacco products, as well as being one of the major ingredients of the "e-liquid" used in electronic cigarettes along with vegetable glycerin. It is also used in pharmaceutical and personal care products.[4] Propylene glycol is a solvent in many pharmaceuticals, including oral, injectable and topical formulations, such as for diazepam and lorazepam that are insoluble in water, use propylene glycol as a solvent in their clinical, injectable forms.[7]"

I wouldn't worry about it going off potency mate, unless there is something about e-cig oils going off etc, or there is some actual reaction causing it. Hopefully someone else can confirm. Hope you're benzo free soon.

 

[headfuck123]

Although it's Wikipedia I found this when first looking at PG:

"Propylene glycol is considered generally recognized as safe (GRAS) by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration, and it is used as an humectant (E1520), solvent, and preservative in food and for tobacco products, as well as being one of the major ingredients of the "e-liquid" used in electronic cigarettes along with vegetable glycerin. It is also used in pharmaceutical and personal care products.[4] Propylene glycol is a solvent in many pharmaceuticals, including oral, injectable and topical formulations, such as for diazepam and lorazepam that are insoluble in water, use propylene glycol as a solvent in their clinical, injectable forms.[7]"

I wouldn't worry about it going off potency mate, unless there is something about e-cig oils going off etc, or there is some actual reaction causing it. Hopefully someone else can confirm. Hope you're benzo free soon.

cheers for that mate, e-liquid does go off but that might be down to the nicotine and flavour added to the pg/vg or it could be the vg breaking down or something. If all goes well i should be benzo free by the start of april, been doing well so far and feeling more "normal". Its tough having a nice amount of flubro, etiz and pyraz around when your on a taper with the least recreational of the bunch but i know i need out and the only way is to stick to this taper

 

[Bare_head]

so im back on the etiz :/ its fucked cause im taking 4-10mg a night on average (i know im stupid) but its gotten to the point where they knock me cold out for few hours then im up awake cant sleep again, need to get my routine back, i was doing great on the clonazepam, nearly got off the etiz (well did) then stumbled back into it , should of gone with fluro but fuck i dont know what to do, im seeing a specialist maybe i should tell him? i am going away to belgium in 12 week and need to get off this stuff :/ i have like 3.5mg of clonaz and around 200mg of etiz, how the fook am i gonna do this , im feeling acey as hell , not so bad today as i thought i would but still its pretty shitty,

so should i be taking this stuff more frequently at a lower dose, or take big dose and taper down every what ? night? i start feeling normal after about 4mg if i stay away but can just sorta drift off if i have it when i get into bed . its a strange chem, used to make me feel so relaxed, now its just something there that i take because i need to.

I hate benzo's i am perscribed melatonin, was given lyrica but didnt like it, thing is aint been truthful with specialist, should i come out and tell him? what will he say? :/

 

[mydrugbuddy]

You need to stabilise your dose first, 4-10mg is a pretty big dosage range. Are you ok on 4 mg ? Etiz isnt ideal for tapers because of its short duration of the main peak effects.

How long have you been taking etiz for on your current run ? I would say that reducing every night would be too fast and wouldnt give your brain enough time to start re-regulating the things the benzos were doing. If you have been taking it for a while and if you have 14 weeks to complete the taper, Id try to get it done over about 11 weeks, reducing by 0.5 mg or so every 4-7 days depending on how you feel and how much time you have. That way it would be relatively gradual, and you would give yourself time to spare to re-adjust to the world at the end.

 

[Bare_head]

thanks mdb, 4mg is like yeh an ok dose for me if im having a bad day i sometimes take 5-10 depending on how bad a day i have had and how much sleep i get throughout the night (i wake up even 3-4 hours into my sleep) i just got my order cause i literally had 3mg left lol, i know, scary times if it didnt arrive, had like 3.5mg of clonaz but its bad times,

I really appreciate your advice, i am getting really bad back pains but i sit in office chair alot so can be quite bad, not sure if my kidneys are fucked from them, i know my stomach can be terrible in the morning when i take like 10mg, i have taken some omraprazole but they seem to be giving me a worse stomach :/ (i thought these things were good for ya stomach)?

yheh im gonna go that way, pissed off about certain thing and feel like shit gonna have 4mg now actually n get into bed, im also smoking at least 2g of skunk a day atm aswell