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EADD Benzo Discussion V. I forget

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Yeah i coped ok, at least part of the time, without etiz for about 35 years, but now its gonna be damn hard to taper off, and learn to cope without it again. I feel so much more free and normal since i discovered it, its only the fact that i suspect that sooner or later it will 'poop out' on me that worries me, as i will be up shit creek without a paddle if and when that day comes.
 
mydrugbuddy said:
if it has only been a few days of using them it shouldnt be anything worse than possibly a little bit of rebound anxiety and insomnia. I think it is far better to face that now, as it should pass within a few days, rather than carry on using them for a longer period of time.
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I should just faced now yea, but ended up ordered 30 1mg pellets of diclazepam yesterday because of low price.

Never tried them, guess they weak.
 
I didn't get much off Diclaz - I take a benzo script but enough dosage-wise and I feel it...
Shame :( Here's hopin you get what you wish for mate!
 
Nicklazz said:
I should just faced now yea, but ended up ordered 30 1mg pellets of diclazepam yesterday because of low price.

Never tried them, guess they weak.
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They work reasonably well in high - ish doses (8-10mg) but the effect is quite boring, mainly sedation with little or no effect on mood. They do benefit from a pretty long half life tho. With the low potency mg for mg compared to eltilaam id say they would be useful for tapering for those with etiz problems. Theoretically one could substitute 4mg diclaz for every mg of etiz, and once your down to a mg diclaz a day then swap for pyrazolam 0.5 twice a day, then 0.5 at bedtime then see how it goes from there . Im not a doctor and anyone with a benzo dependence should really get professional help. Im only stating what i would do DIY style if i only had rc benzos to rely on. Due to the nature of the manufacture and the lack of quality control Id never consider fucking round splitting the pellets up.
 
I have no idea why im doing this, but ive decided to go cold turkey on diaz. Well over a year, of 10/20mg daily. I last had some on sunday, so withdrawls are not yet setting in, but I can feel them coming. First signs are my eyes are super sensitive to light, and my vision is filled with colours of the spectrum. Im on a prescribed taper, which I think is slowing the whole process of coming of the fuckers down. Ive lost my job, so can spend a lot of time in bed, so it seems like a safe place to feel awful. If it gets too horrid, I will take 5mg here and there. Fuck em. Also quit smoking on sunday, which has not been too hard. I mean if your gonna put your self through shit, you might as well do it all at once.
 
the quitting smoking will help. Smoking adds to anxiety and stress and insomnia. The first few days may be difficult re the nicotine, but the physical addiction is broken within 2 days, after that its just the mental and habitual ritual aspects and fleeting cravings. As for benzo w/ds i wish you good luck, im 3 years into dayly etiz use, have tapered up and down a few times, but never got below 6 mg, once my dose began to drift upwards.

I am now finally off opis, off all sleeping pills, off nicotine. I can start thinking about beginning my etiz taper now. Im currently on 16mg a day. I may be able to trim a few mg offf quite quickly, but as soon as i start to feel it, I'll be reducing by 0.25mg a week or something like that. The Ashton Method all the way.
 
HouseFever said:
I have no idea why im doing this, but ive decided to go cold turkey on diaz. Well over a year, of 10/20mg daily. I last had some on sunday, so withdrawls are not yet setting in, but I can feel them coming. First signs are my eyes are super sensitive to light, and my vision is filled with colours of the spectrum. Im on a prescribed taper, which I think is slowing the whole process of coming of the fuckers down. Ive lost my job, so can spend a lot of time in bed, so it seems like a safe place to feel awful. If it gets too horrid, I will take 5mg here and there. Fuck em. Also quit smoking on sunday, which has not been too hard. I mean if your gonna put your self through shit, you might as well do it all at once.
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Do you have them prescribed? If so theres really no need to put yourself through that. The beauty of diazepam is that you can take your time and taper down to next to nothing. Even when you end up at 2mg a day, you can trust the quality of the tablets to split into 1 and 0.5 mg doses

Fair play with the smoking tho the only way to duck that shit is cold turkey. Im a committed smoker and everyone I now who has managed to give up successfully long term has just stopped.
 
mydrugbuddy said:
the quitting smoking will help. Smoking adds to anxiety and stress and insomnia. The first few days may be difficult re the nicotine, but the physical addiction is broken within 2 days, after that its just the mental and habitual ritual aspects and fleeting cravings. As for benzo w/ds i wish you good luck, im 3 years into dayly etiz use, have tapered up and down a few times, but never got below 6 mg, once my dose began to drift upwards.

I am now finally off opis, off all sleeping pills, off nicotine. I can start thinking about beginning my etiz taper now. Im currently on 16mg a day. I may be able to trim a few mg offf quite quickly, but as soon as i start to feel it, I'll be reducing by 0.25mg a week or something like that. The Ashton Method all the way.
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Thanks a lot mate. The none smoking has been suprisingly easy. I think whats helping is the attitude I done it. Instead of telling myself im going to try and quit, I made a pledge to myself, and my family that I will not smoke again. From a pouch a day, to a couple of e cig puffs a day, I already feel better.
I know what im doing with benzos is not the right way to do it, and it will cause me discomfort, when its not really nessesary. I need to make positive changes in my life, and I feel a slow taper is just making the whole process a hell lot longer. I was using Etiz since it was available on off, and it was that, that made me think a couple of blue pills, can make all the stresses go away. Then etiz turned into buying hundreds of diaz at a time for fuck all. It is a wonderful thing to feel that relief, and suppress feelings I thought would never go away (acute physical anxiety with me). It was a God send, but it cant go on forever. All the best with your etiz taper.
 
Cheers, at the moment i just want to get my dose reduced. I havent decided or comitted to stopping completely yet. Im gonna take my time over it, if i start the taper now, it could finish in mid summer which would be ideal, as i could get out for lots of exercise to help burn off some excess anxiety and insomnia shit.
 
steewith2ees said:
Do you have them prescribed? If so theres really no need to put yourself through that. The beauty of diazepam is that you can take your time and taper down to next to nothing
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Yes mate. They are prescribed. I have been on 9mg daily for 3 weeks. Tomorrow I need to ring the docs to get more, but will ask her to give me 7mg. So ill probably take a small amount to hold me of severe WD, if I need to.
mydrugbuddy said:
Cheers, at the moment i just want to get my dose reduced. I havent decided or comitted to stopping completely yet. Im gonna take my time over it, if i start the taper now, it could finish in mid summer which would be ideal, as i could get out for lots of exercise to help burn off some excess anxiety and insomnia shit.
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Ive been arguing with myself to why im stopping, when they help me. I thought why am I stopping when it helps so much. I started taking them for the same reasons as you, by the sounds of it. Im not looking forward to what happens when its gone. But anxiety and insomnia can be cured without blues.
 
monstanoodle said:
I didn't get much off Diclaz - I take a benzo script but enough dosage-wise and I feel it...
Shame :( Here's hopin you get what you wish for mate!
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Thanks man, going find out how they are tomorrow :)



steewith2ees said:
They work reasonably well in high - ish doses (8-10mg) but the effect is quite boring, mainly sedation with little or no effect on mood. They do benefit from a pretty long half life tho. With the low potency mg for mg compared to eltilaam id say they would be useful for tapering for those with etiz problems. Theoretically one could substitute 4mg diclaz for every mg of etiz, and once your down to a mg diclaz a day then swap for pyrazolam 0.5 twice a day, then 0.5 at bedtime then see how it goes from there . Im not a doctor and anyone with a benzo dependence should really get professional help. Im only stating what i would do DIY style if i only had rc benzos to rely on. Due to the nature of the manufacture and the lack of quality control Id never consider fucking round splitting the pellets up.
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Damn that high doses? The 30 will be gone in now time then lol, sad but fuck it they where cheap, we going to see.
 
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I have done 47 1mg pellets in a week now (from good trusted eu vendor, so good quality), got 3 left and my dicla aint arrived. Got a tip or an idea how I am going to feel if like on sunday if not gets dicpla tomorrow? have have 3 left -.- but saving till toomorroow. I know it aint long time doing em but still, any tip or anything would be nice.
 
The general guidelines are to keep usage for as limited a time as possible. The shorter the better. The longer you take them for the worse things will be when you stop. The general guidelines are that 2-4 weeks is the absolute maximum time frame for taking them. If you have been using them for a week or 2, you will possibly get a little bit of increased anxiety and insomnia for a couple of days. On the other hand etizolam is said by some to be more forgiving than normal benzos. I dont know as ive never stopped taking them, i was hooked from the first day i tried one 3 years ago, i havent been able to stop taking them as i like them so much. My advice would be to stop taking them asap, as you will be creating bigger problems for yourself in the long run.
 
Anyone tried Premazepam? Starting to become available on the clearnets in Scandinavia, but there is not that much information on it online. Comments, experiences, speculations?
 
Sammy G said:
I stopped dead last week after 3-and-a-bit weeks and had almost a week's worth of rebound anxiety symptoms.
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Yep sounds about right. I would put etiz withdrawals up there with fucking zolpidem and maybe even gbl, though not quite as bad as booze (only from what I witnessed in mates coming off the grog - its the one thing I thank god I never had to come off.)

Said it before and I'll say it again as it fucking saved me. Gradually sub in pyrazolam for etiz. Start with a two day alternation system and transit over a couple of months and you'll be in a much better spot. Etiz withdrawal is like your verging on having a seizure. Pyraz withdrawal is like a kinda shitty stroll in a muddy park on a rainy day.
 
bob_arctor said:
Anyone tried Premazepam? Starting to become available on the clearnets in Scandinavia, but there is not that much information on it online. Comments, experiences, speculations?
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Not yet but i tried flubromazepam and would definitely give the thumbs up to that one. Pop a couple of the 8mg flubro's and you'll get a good bit of kip if you're a tad restless after a stim session. Feels generally quite clean too though i think.
 
Benzo rage I say, Benzo rage!!! Aint good no more for me. Luckily so low on on em diclazepam now. Want out.
 
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