EADD Benzo Discussion v. Finally remembered to start a new thread.

[Don Luigi]

Morning folk....another day another dollar etc ..

Doctors here hardly ever prescribe 10mg diazepam anymore more due to abuse and diversion....only 5s and 2s..

I've always thought that a bit pointless really as how hard is it to abuse 2 x 5s instead of a 10?

We used to have liquid temaz and diaz as well (wobbly eggs) but they were discontinued years ago due to people drawing up the liquid and shooting them... They were then replaced by gel filled capsules which people still used to shoot by heating the contents and using a larger guage needle leading to lost limbs.

Nowadays temazepam 20s are a huge white tablet designed to make shooting them much harder...

I had a 40mg/day temaz script for years to help me get to sleep after nightshifts but I stopped that a while ago.. Stops working after a while anyway

Heh, I remember coming to in A&E, rather delirious from a lot of diphenhydramine and the nurse gave me a 5mg diazepam pill to take. I laughed at him and said it was pointless because I won't even feel 5mg of diazepam, to which he told me that I wasn't brought to A&E to get high

I've only ever been prescribed 10mg temazepam tablets and found that dose ineffective for helping me sleep. This was when I was 18 and lied about any drug abuse. I doubt they'd even prescribe me certain topical creams now if there was a chance it might tingle on my skin

EDIT: I forgot that I came in to this thread to talk about my previous disdain that I couldn't get access to any of the half decent RC market benzos. I had ordered some pyrazolam and decided to chuck in 5 metizolam just to bring me up to the cart price that would get me my free gift worth £20. I only had five but they were actually rather nice. I could only get the 2mg pellets and it took 4mg to even produce a yawn through my stimulation so the high price is the major drawback. 6mg put me to sleep without any problems %)

 

[Sprout]

Morning folk....another day another dollar etc ..

Doctors here hardly ever prescribe 10mg diazepam anymore more due to abuse and diversion....only 5s and 2s..

I've always thought that a bit pointless really as how hard is it to abuse 2 x 5s instead of a 10?

We used to have liquid temaz and diaz as well (wobbly eggs) but they were discontinued years ago due to people drawing up the liquid and shooting them... They were then replaced by gel filled capsules which people still used to shoot by heating the contents and using a larger guage needle leading to lost limbs.

Nowadays temazepam 20s are a huge white tablet designed to make shooting them much harder...

I had a 40mg/day temaz script for years to help me get to sleep after nightshifts but I stopped that a while ago.. Stops working after a while anyway

I can't have my bacon in the same room as the odour of fowl ovum but I am certainly rather partial to an egg or three under the tongue.

 

[Fug]

Flubromazolam:

What kind of doses are/were people using to get to sleep after let's say a day of heavy stim use?

Everything I'd read lead me to believe I would likely black out past 0.5mg due to it's strength.

The other night at 10pm I took 250mcg (it had been 3 hours since last 3fpm dose), waited patiently.

At midnight, I took another 125mcg. I was still up at 4am but thought I'd have a go at sleep.

Tossed around till about 6am and took another 125mcg and eventually got some rubbish sleep sometime between 7am-9am.

Should I have just boshed something closer to 1mg? Not a heavy benzo users but have been in the past and was wired to fuck to boot so maybe I shouldn't have been that overly cautious...
Suggestions/advice/anyone?

 

[Sprout]

Flubromazolam:

What kind of doses are/were people using to get to sleep after let's say a day of heavy stim use?

Everything I'd read lead me to believe I would likely black out past 0.5mg due to it's strength.

The other night at 10pm I took 250mcg (it had been 3 hours since last 3fpm dose), waited patiently.

At midnight, I took another 125mcg. I was still up at 4am but thought I'd have a go at sleep.

Tossed around till about 6am and took another 125mcg and eventually got some rubbish sleep sometime between 7am-9am.

Should I have just boshed something closer to 1mg? Not a heavy benzo users but have been in the past and was wired to fuck to boot so maybe I shouldn't have been that overly cautious...
Suggestions/advice/anyone?

The issue with F-Lam is precisely thus: it lingers metabolically for days upon days and it is the progressive dosing that fucks up everything.
0.5mg should KO most when sober, 1.25mg used to cut through a single night EPD session but 0.5mg a day for a week will leave you absolutely twatted without noticing for days, maybe weeks....

If you're going the RC route then stick to F-Pam taken at least 3 hours before you need the effect, and I actually find Pyrazolam incredibly underrated if the dose is right. The EHL isn't much over 6 hours and it is active as is with no active metabolites so the effect is linear and predictable.

 

[Fug]

Thanks Sprout,

Well I shan't be purchasing anymore RC benzos, I'll stick to traditional hypnotics from the dark web from now on.

Have no desire or interest to use the F-lam for anything but coming down from a stim binge, good to know a single large dose is more effective than staggering it. Does the 3 hour pre-requisite apply to the -LAM too?


N.B. Out of all the hypnotic benzos I've come across (Nitraz/Temaz/Midaz) - Midazolam was by far the clear winner for me. God I miss it sometimes.

 

[Ignio]

The issue with F-Lam is precisely thus: it lingers metabolically for days upon days and it is the progressive dosing that fucks up everything.
0.5mg should KO most when sober, 1.25mg used to cut through a single night EPD session but 0.5mg a day for a week will leave you absolutely twatted without noticing for days, maybe weeks....

If you're going the RC route then stick to F-Pam taken at least 3 hours before you need the effect, and I actually find Pyrazolam incredibly underrated if the dose is right. The EHL isn't much over 6 hours and it is active as is with no active metabolites so the effect is linear and predictable.

Out of curiosity, why are you suggesting F-Pam over F-Lam for the purpose of sleep after stim use? I thought F-Lam was faster acting, more sedating and quicker to clear out of the body (compared to F-Pam)?

In a period I used F-lam to help me sleep after taking stims. I always found F-pam recreational so I preferred to be awake after taking it F-pam could feel half-euphoric sometimes. But the long half-life meant I wasn't something I liked using too often.

 

[Fug]

In a period I used F-lam to help me sleep after taking stims.

What kind of doses were used? Do you have a benzo tolerance?

 

[Ignio]

Thanks Sprout,

Well I shan't be purchasing anymore RC benzos, I'll stick to traditional hypnotics from the dark web from now on.

Have no desire or interest to use the F-lam for anything but coming down from a stim binge, good to know a single large dose is more effective than staggering it. Does the 3 hour pre-requisite apply to the -LAM too?


N.B. Out of all the hypnotic benzos I've come across (Nitraz/Temaz/Midaz) - Midazolam was by far the clear winner for me. God I miss it sometimes.

For me the onset of F-lam is faster than F-pam, so I took mine one hour before I wanted to sleep in one dosage. But you will probably have to find out for yourself. I might be 1 hour, 2 hours or even 3 hours. But after I found the right dosage one hour was perfect for me.

Midazolam is incredibly sedating, I like it as well after a stim binge when you know you have to sleep. However, it isn't something I should take if I shall anything but sleep

 

[Fug]

@Ignio Re: Midazolam, when I first came across it I wasn't much into stims, so I'd take it purely for recreation...trying to watch a film and instantly passing out after 15mg was so futile.

I believe I once had two kittens running all over my face when I was passed out on 60mg+

Nicest thing about it was that it could be plugged :D

 

[Ignio]

What kind of doses were used? Do you have a benzo tolerance?

I took 2 mg at the time. But I had a high tolerance so you should not take that much.
Considering your last post, 0,75 mg taken at once might be enough? You should of cause avoid a dosage that would influence you for days. You should find a dosage that allows you to sleep within 1 or 2 hours but still will allow you to be functional the next day.

 

[Ignio]

@Ignio Re: Midazolam, when I first came across it I wasn't much into stims, so I'd take it purely for recreation...trying to watch a film and instantly passing out after 15mg was so futile.

I believe I once had two kittens running all over my face when I was passed out on 60mg+

Nicest thing about it was that it could be plugged :D

Well, considering you took 60 mg they could probably have eaten half your face without you waking up

 

[Fug]

I took 2 mg at the time. But I had a high tolerance so you should not take that much.
Considering your last post, 0,75 mg taken at once might be enough? You should of cause avoid a dosage that would influence you for days. You should find a dosage that allows you to sleep within 1 or 2 hours but still will allow you to be functional the next day.

Cool thanks for the reply - I don't have a tolerance like I did 2-3 years ago - and really don't want to black out for days ala Phenazepam powder.

I'll try it once more in a single dose, if that doesn't do it then I may just give up on this benzo. I don't mind being groggy the next day as long as I got SOME sleep. Being groggy and having zero sleep just makes it all the more worthless.

Well, considering you took 60 mg they could probably have eaten half your face without you waking up

Hmm excellent point - all I know is what I was told by onlookers, who knows what really went on

 

[Sprout]

Out of curiosity, why are you suggesting F-Pam over F-Lam for the purpose of sleep after stim use? I thought F-Lam was faster acting, more sedating and quicker to clear out of the body (compared to F-Pam)?

In a period I used F-lam to help me sleep after taking stims. I always found F-pam recreational so I preferred to be awake after taking it F-pam could feel half-euphoric sometimes. But the long half-life meant I wasn't something I liked using too often.

I suggest it because F-Lam has a habit of blowing out your GABA system, has zero middle ground between imperceptible and blackout, induces unrivalled aggression/violence and is AFAIK the only BZD with the tendency to be actually fatal in OD at less than 10x the effective dose. Diazepam isn't fatal until a few thousand milligrams, F-Lam has induced rhadbomyolysis and multiple organ failure at just 2mg and kills in a manner completely alien to the typical processes.
F-Pam is highly perceptible, far less addictive both physically, produces muscle relaxation in addition to hypnosis, less likely to induce compulsive redosing, has reduced receptor affinity so doesn't rape tolerance as much, much less potent so titrating dose is much easier, has clinical data and valid literature.....

F-Lam is an absolute abomination. Pure and simple.

 

[SmokingAces]

Whoever said they doubted the teva/activis/crescent pharma benzos was way off the mark. Take it from me I used to take 10mg Xanax a day and those boxed blues, clonaz etc now are legit NHS quality. The other day I hadn't taken benzos in 6 months and I was pretty twatted off 1! Of course mugginz here has eaten basically the whole box now minus maybe 5-7 over a day or two. I enjoy the relaxation from clean Diaz so much but it's no good when you start slurring your words ;(

 

[Ignio]

I suggest it because F-Lam has a habit of blowing out your GABA system, has zero middle ground between imperceptible and blackout, induces unrivalled aggression/violence and is AFAIK the only BZD with the tendency to be actually fatal in OD at less than 10x the effective dose. Diazepam isn't fatal until a few thousand milligrams, F-Lam has induced rhadbomyolysis and multiple organ failure at just 2mg and kills in a manner completely alien to the typical processes.
F-Pam is highly perceptible, far less addictive both physically, produces muscle relaxation in addition to hypnosis, less likely to induce compulsive redosing, has reduced receptor affinity so doesn't rape tolerance as much, much less potent so titrating dose is much easier, has clinical data and valid literature.....

F-Lam is an absolute abomination. Pure and simple.

Okay. Thanks for your input. I have seen a lot of people discourage regular use of F-pam due to the half-life and accumulation of dosage. It is incredible how F-lam (and a few others), being similar to all other benzodiazepines can differ so much in effect and side effect. This is certainly one of the bad things connected with research chemicals and the lack of information associated with them.

 

[mydrugbuddy]

I'd better do one final stock take whilst there is still the chance to easily acquire any more of anything should i need to. Unfortunately all the powders that i use seem to have sold out eveywhere so its a choice of nothing or 'vendor pills' (4 times the price for 1/4 of the dosing accuracy ) which really is not what is needed as the taper draws to a close, if needs be i could stretch out my stock with pills as i approach the 'end game' and save the powders for the end.

Most of all i need to quit all night GBL and / or stim binges for a while, not only is it causing trouble and friction with my neighbors, but each session takes my taper in the wrong direction. I may make one or 2 exceptions but on the whole it will have to be a very straight laced few months whilst i get off benzos.

 

[consumer]

20 mg of diazepam after stims usually does the trick for me. The highest i will go is 30 mg. It might not knock me out but relaxes me enough to get to sleep.

 

[ClemFandango]

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Most of all i need to quit all night GBL and / or stim binges for a while, not only is it causing trouble and friction with my neighbors, .

Why, what do you do during a GBL or stim binge that pisses off your neighbours?

Sorry, I'm just a nosey bastard.

 

[mydrugbuddy]

Mostly being far too noisy, even though i use headphones, i 'drum' on my desk, woop, and shout and 'sing' along to songs i particularly like. I had not realised that the sound would carry through the walls and upstairs into their bedrooms.

Once she posted me a note telling me that she could hear everything, i made a huge effort to quiten down on my next binge, but that was when i ended up having a KO and 'coming to' in a very bad way the next day, and causing a right rumpus. I promptly got a letter asking me to make an appointment with a Dr to assess my mental health.

I suppose i can see why my neighbor might have thought i was going insane, but it was just the GBL, and the GBL only. When i'm not on that I'm generally very quiet and calm, admittedly too much GBL seems to turn me into a bit of a raving lunatic, but it's all great fun at the time.

 

[Ignio]

Haha next time you take GBL you should buy some kind of karaoke machine or some sing-a-long game to a playstation. That would no doubt be a huge success in connection to your neighbors and their thoughts regarding your mental health