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EADD Benzo Discussion v. Finally remembered to start a new thread.

warriorOnTheEdge said:
I thought that when I had my first one last week, these are strong, but i've just had a kosher 1mg Clonazepam and its a hell of a lot stronger.
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Ive never come across 1, do they do a generic 1mg clonazepam tablet now? The Roche Rivotrils come in 0.5 and 2mg tablets, and Ive never seen any different doses in any of the generic clonazepam tablets ive come across.
 
steewith2ees said:
Ive never come across 1, do they do a generic 1mg clonazepam tablet now? The Roche Rivotrils come in 0.5 and 2mg tablets, and Ive never seen any different doses in any of the generic clonazepam tablets ive come across.
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Half a 2mg counts as 1mg doesn't it?=D No marking on the Clonazepam, but they came from a legit source, over a year ago though.
 
Sorry bud, I wasnt trying to be pedantic, but a 'kosher 1mg clonazepam' sounded like a preparation, and as a clonazepam fan of 15 years, the possibility of a new product intrigued me.

If you'd said 'i had 1mg of kosher clonazepam' then i would have assumed youd had half a tablet. Or 2 500mcgs tablets.
 
steewith2ees said:
Sorry bud, I wasnt trying to be pedantic, but a 'kosher 1mg clonazepam' sounded like a preparation, and as a clonazepam fan of 15 years, the possibility of a new product intrigued me.

If you'd said 'i had 1mg of kosher clonazepam' then i would have assumed youd had half a tablet. Or 2 500mcgs tablets.
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Nah, sorry for the mix-up, it was some 2mgs that came from Serbia,thats what I meant by kosher (Which is wrong really as they were unmarked and unblistered) sorry to get you excited.
 
fucked myself over yet again :! had been sticking to my rule of once a month or less until recently with the festival season in full swing, so Id been taking various rc benzos roughly twice weekly. Im in Croatia now and had been on the booze for a few days which must have held off the withdrawals. Yesterday I decided to have a break from the drink only to be hit with intense anxiety, panic attacks, skin crawling, muscle spasms/jerks, stationary objects morphing, the full works except seizures which I feared might happen. Today I feel slightly better but cant see myself able to enjoy much of the remainder of my holiday living with 5 crazy drunk people.

I have a bottle of etiz solution with me but don't want to touch it incase I run out before I get home and have even more severe withdrawals in a foreign country or in the airport. Plus I have too many commitments when I get home to be back on benzos or to be able to successfully taper. I think its either brave the withdrawls and be in better shape once I get home or get on the etiz, enjoy the holiday and look forward to picking up the pieces when I land home and hope the solution I have will hold me till then.
 
i would calculate how long you have left until you can restock (You can order by special delivery as soon as you get home, or order before you get home, to have them ready for you?) and how much you have currently. Then you could work out how many doses you have left. I would make the doses the bare minimum, just enough to stave off w/ds and spread them out as long as you can bare, depending how severe your shortfall is. If its gets very serious maybe a trip to the ER could be in order.. Im surprised you've bit hit that badly after only using them once or twice weekly. I guess if youve previously been dependant/addicted then the w/d syndrome will get more extreme and easily triggered each time.

I was going to post about a minor triumph in the progress of my own taper but that would seem in bad taste now. I'll save that for another occasion.

Meanwhile i hope you get through this somehow, posting this may provoke fierce condemanation and anger but i read someone else posting that as an absolute last resort alcohol could possibly be used as a partail substitute if you have absolutely no other alternatives available and if the w/d symptoms really become too unbearable. It's only moving and delaying the problem though at best, with no guarentees of success. It could make the rebound anxiery even worse, so i'd wait for some more opinions from more knowlegble folk who are more certain about whether this would be a terrible mistake or just scraping through as best you can. Its not something ive ever tried myself but there benzos are used to taper of alcohiolism, so in theory the reverse might also work, allthough its never recommended as a desirable, safe, healthy or wise way to get through benzo w/d.
 
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Thanks for the advice mate and by all means post your successes, I guess I was venting rather than asking a question. Been through this plenty times before but it seems to get worse and worse each time because Id previously been on them daily for around 8 months then on and off ever since then. I got complacent after I got away with a week on benzos with hardly any noticeable withdrawal so I thought I should have been fine. Maybe all the alcohol made the situation worse.

Have roughly 18mg of etiz to do me till the 21st and have plenty once I get home but feel like if I go back on them now ill be fucked for when I get home and have to get back to my commitments. Feel slightly better today but still suffering especially having to deal with obnoxious drunk mates in the blazing heat sleeping on a sofa in the kitchen of our apartment. Hopefully I can get though the worst of it in the next couple days but If im still in bad shape tomorrow I might have to just go on the lowest dose possible then do a diclaz taper when I get home.
 
Glad you're feeling slightly better HF, things were sounding pretty serious before.

My minor triumph was just that my body has finally accepted a total dose of 6.5mg of pyraz and diclaz combined as a bedtime dose. (I find the pyraz kicks in much quicker and makes it easier to drop off, and the slower to act diclaz takes over and keeps me asleep after the pyraz has done its job) I've been trying to stick to that dose for weeks, but been unable to get to sleep, and giving up after a couple of hours and 'topping up' or waking up after one hour and not being able to get back to sleep, and unable to resist a top up. 8)

I've had no top ups for the last 2 nights running and fallen asleep within minutes of going to bed and sleeping right through until the alarm goes off. So i think its safe to say ive adjusted. It might not seem much to many but considering the depths of my phenazepam and etizolam 35mg+ habits im happy to have got this low.

Is it best to maintain at this dose for a couple of weeks before reducing further, or best to carry on reducing straight away does anyone know?

The reductions are gonna be very gradual; 0.5mg at a time absolute maximum, though i think i would just about have enough time and stock to reduce by 0.1 mg every few days or every week, that way i dont think i'd even notice the reductions but over a period of several months the slow and steady way could see me quite easily reducing much further. Im still a bit apprehensive about stopping completely, but I'll face that hurdle when i get to it as its still several months away.
 
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Thanks man feeling even better today again but still not myself. The near 40 degree heat isn't helping much but dipping into the Adriatic sea helps! Just wish I could have a drink but i'm afraid i'll be back to square 1 again. Still have the nasty physical symptoms like muscle spasms, twitching and electrical sensations under my skin but the majority of the anxiety is fading it seems or at least becoming fewer and further between.

Fair play on adjusting to that dose, you've come a long way so keep it up! Id say stay at that dose for about 5 days then see how you react to lowering the dose but its very subjective so just try and listen to your body.

Seriously considering chucking my benzo stash once I get home. As heart breaking as it would be I cant afford to keep doing this to myself as every time it gets worse :\
 
Cheers. Yeah thats a concern for me too, once i finally do stop, i'll have to be "constantly vigilant" and not let my guard down, in order to stay stopped, and not get some more in during a moment of weakness or madness and just start the whole cycle all over again. All the time knowing it'll be much worse second time round.:\

Knowing myself quite well, and how ive been with nicotine and kratom especially; but stims, guice and opis to a much lesser extent (ive managed to keep binges on those things quite occasional since i quit a small opi habit), staying stopped might prove more difficult than actually stopping the benzos, especially if i get off relatively lightly first time round (when i quit for the first time). The danger then would be thinking 'that was a peace of piss, im gonna order such and such just for weekends', and then before you know it, its become a dayly thing all over again. :|
 
for sure. Even now im considering dosing some etiz even though I really needed it a couple days ago and not so much now. Complacency is the thing to watch out for because its easy to forget the horrendous sensations of benzo withdrawal and easily end up using them "recreationally", getting into bother which is harder and harder to get out of each time. The kindling effect is no joke!

If I stay benzo free for a month or 2 then use them once il get more or less no nasty symptoms then il try and get away with it again too soon and i'm straight back where i started, hence possibly chucking out my full stash to stop this happening. 8(
 
THECATINTHEHAT said:
Almost four months clean now I believe.
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Congrats dude, happy for you. How you feeling? I wish I would of not gone back on subutex, well Burans after we had finished our coincided rattles -I got that all to look forward too again now. Worst part is they wont let me taper any further as I am too mentally unstable and you cant reduce a patch so I really need them to help me get off. Keep on keeping on mate, you are doing great.
 
I have used benzo's recreationally for a few years now. I have never taken high doses at the most I'd take 20mg of diazepam in one go as I was very cautious not to build up a tolerance so I could continue to enjoy the magic of them. Usually twice a week would be enough for me.
Since purchasing some Clonazolam I have found myself struggling not to take one every day. The 'buzz' is so enjoyable from these little pills that it makes you want to take them everyday and that would not be a great idea.
So just a little warning that Clonazolam are rather strong little fuckers and you may find it harder to control your use of them moreso than other benzos out there.
 
maxalfie said:
I have used benzo's recreationally for a few years now. I have never taken high doses at the most I'd take 20mg of diazepam in one go as I was very cautious not to build up a tolerance so I could continue to enjoy the magic of them. Usually twice a week would be enough for me.
Since purchasing some Clonazolam I have found myself struggling not to take one every day. The 'buzz' is so enjoyable from these little pills that it makes you want to take them everyday and that would not be a great idea.
So just a little warning that Clonazolam are rather strong little fuckers and you may find it harder to control your use of them moreso than other benzos out there.
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Be careful with C-lam... the habit sneaks up on you. I was doing 4mg a day at one point. Managed to get on a taper program fortunately.
 
itsonlyme123 said:
Be careful with C-lam... the habit sneaks up on you. I was doing 4mg a day at one point. Managed to get on a taper program fortunately.
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I have never found it a problem to leave the benzo's alone, I could go weeks without taking any even though I had legitimate diaz sat in my bedside draw.
These Clonazolam are different though. I find the effect from them very pleasureable indeed and I am so tempted to take it each day. I have probably taken them each day for the last few days but only one 0.5 pill each day.
I can already see how easy it would be to get into a habit of daily dosing of these and yet I have never had that urge to use benzos daily before.
So I'm gonna try and leave it for a good few days now before taking another one.
 
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