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EADD Benzo Discussion v.5

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roganjosh said:
Might be able to get hold of some xanax bars soon. What's a good starting dose? I usually take about 20mg diazepam for a chilled out evening with a couple of spliffs. Would one 2mg xanax be about the same?
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I'd start with 0.5 or 1mg at most, definitely kicks much harder than Diaz, much prefer it TBH.

On the occasions I indulge it's always when taking amphetamines and 2mg will knock me out almost regardless.
 
Still need to try Xanax

dont think im gonna bother with etiz anymore, even though my tolerance is low and i dont take many, i get racey thoughts a couple days after
 
Xanax is one of the loopiest, up there with midazolam and other fastactings. wash it down with carbonated drink and its 5 minutes going from zero to loopy as a toucan
 
midazolam or flunitrazepam would be even loopier, they are sniffable, only the best of the best for Fruity Loopy Nosestuffer Sam

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ColtDan said:
Still need to try Xanax

dont think im gonna bother with etiz anymore, even though my tolerance is low and i dont take many, i get racey thoughts a couple days after
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YMMV but IME Xanax is much nicer than Etiz for recreational use, hits hard and has a much shorter half life than Diaz which can hang about making you feel groggy.

I might do the .5 if I've got a bit edgy on stims but I find it great for getting some sleep when the stims are all gone, it's said it's more habit forming but since I only get half a dozen or so in a time I've not had an issue.

I can't really comment on rebound anxiety, I suffer from (for want of a better term) GAD anyway and coming down from amphet would more likely be the source of such problems in my case.
 
Need your help guys please i beg, basically i think this 10 mg taper is not enough. Wednesday and thursday dont even count asleep as far as im concerened because that was my peak wd. The friday when i saw the doctor and got my 10 mg he suggested i take one in the evening and one before bed. i didnt do that i took one as soon as i got the script as i was feeling horrific and the one before bed and found it hard as hell to fall asleep so drank 2 cans of 5.3 cider 440 ml. dropped off for an hour and a half and woke up in a sweat, fell asleep again for like an hour and a half and was up since 4am

Last night i took one before tea time and then one before bed. Was lay in bed for an hour so thought fuck this had another vally (15mg all together through the day) washed down with a liter of cider 5.3 percent. fell asleep for 4 hours, fell asleep again infact i just got up i even remember having a dream for the first time in 4 days. probably 6 or so hours sleep ( bliss)

Is this doctor just an idiot, i know i shouldnt be drinking but when you're that desperate for sleep you will do anything
 
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Insomnia is quite normal DS, it's not a sign of anything to be worries about, your GABA receptors are all over the place and most people suffer sleep issues for some time after ceasing Benzos, that coupled with the anxiety is horrible.

It will improve over time, have you tried Valerian root its what in most off the shelf sleep aids, or proper Nytol might help a bit.

I few drinks isn't going to do any harm but watch out you don't switch to boozing and end up with a problem with that.

Hang on in there, it can only get better from here on in:)
 
thing is that i dont even see this doctor for a week on monday, so should i just try and get away with 5 mg today or what?
 
Sorry DS, I didn't mean to sound dismissive about your problems.

What schedule does he have you on ? what are you supposed to be on now ? and how often is he dropping the dose, sorry it's not all that clear to my addled brain.

My best piece of advice, having been through more than one nasty self administered taper is try your best to never go back up on the dose, if you have to hold the same dose for longer.

It's not your GP having to got through this so don't let them bully you into making things more uncomfortable than they need to be, do you have a decent supply of pills ? I'm loathed to suggest getting some of not but at the same time you need to be in control.
 
Allein said:
I few drinks isn't going to do any harm but watch out you don't switch to boozing and end up with a problem with that.
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Alcohol and benzos are cross-tolerant, drinking to easen a benzo taper will set back your GABA system's regenerative process. It's better to get a non-GABA sleeping pill, maybe some promethazine or mirtazepine. Also, a light dose of pregabalin helps me tremendously with benzo wd.


Tapers suck and they always seem to go too fast. Getting more pills and dragging it out always seems the most attractive option at the time. But in this case I'd really stick with the 5mg taper cos it all sounds fairly mild (relatively) and you aren't suffering from psychotic symptoms and/or dangerous CNS symptoms (extreme blood pressure + heart rate and heavy palpitations). Sounds like you're in light/moderate WD, at most (yep, the hole goes deep).
 
lurching said:
Disagree, with a taper it's often better to NOT be in control: having to make-do with a limited supply.
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Not IME but YMMV, I've never been beholdent to a GP for drugs, I don't like the idea at all.

Ultimately you can get hold of pretty much anything, Benzos easily so it's down to yourself if you kick a habit.

I can only speak from my experience and I'm not criticising your standpoint, I assume it worked for you
 
Allein said:
Not IME but YMMV, I've never been beholdent to a GP for drugs, I don't like the idea at all.

Ultimately you can get hold of pretty much anything, Benzos easily so it's down to yourself if you kick a habit.

I can only speak from my experience and I'm not criticising your standpoint, I assume it worked for you
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I had to look up "beholdent".

Most people will have a harder time sticking to their tapering schedule if they have a big stash on hand.

I don't think that getting more benzos would make this guy more "in control" of his taper. He currently gets a 10mg p/day script and all signs point to that being enough to keep him safe (although it's not pleasant.. but tapers never are).
 
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Allein said:
Not IME but YMMV, I've never been beholdent to a GP for drugs, I don't like the idea at all.

Ultimately you can get hold of pretty much anything, Benzos easily so it's down to yourself if you kick a habit.

I can only speak from my experience and I'm not criticising your standpoint, I assume it worked for you
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I disagree strongly as you would probably expect .

Much rather have a legit script of a trusted Medical Professional ( yeah i know they are hard to find ;) ) than have to gamble on getting what could be anything off the Internet .

Also with a script you get given the pills or liquids in sensible amounts rather than having a big tub of em in the house , that can only be bad thing imo.

You knew i would say this though :D
 
lurching said:
Alcohol and benzos are cross-tolerant, drinking to easen a benzo taper will set back your GABA system's regenerative process. It's better to get a non-GABA sleeping pill, maybe some promethazine or mirtazepine. Also, a light dose of pregabalin helps me tremendously with benzo wd.


Tapers suck and they always seem to go too fast. Getting more pills and dragging it out always seems the most attractive option at the time. But in this case I'd really stick with the 5mg taper cos it all sounds fairly mild (relatively) and you aren't suffering from psychotic symptoms and/or dangerous CNS symptoms (extreme blood pressure + heart rate and heavy palpitations). Sounds like you're in light/moderate WD, at most (yep, the hole goes deep).
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Thanks i will just take 5 mg today, i feel better today after last nights sleep. just gonna exercise and get things done , just cut the grass, now im gonna tidy the house up and do other shit.
 
brimz said:
I disagree strongly as you would probably expect .

Much rather have a legit script of a trusted Medical Professional ( yeah i know they are hard to find ;) ) than have to gamble on getting what could be anything off the Internet .

Also with a script you get given the pills or liquids in sensible amounts rather than having a big tub of em in the house , that can only be bad thing imo.

You knew i would say this though :D
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You would be looking for another source the moment they threatened to pull the rug out as we both well know. ;)
 
brimz said:
true but my doc has a few years left in him & there is another one in the surgery that will write my benzo's n oxy so not really that worried tbh .
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IME most GPs are very reluctant to prescribe Benzos at all and then only for a very limited period, I know some get them but in general they don't.

I guess it depends on the individual and the GP, I've beaten fags, booze and benzos without the direct support of a doctor but like I said YMMV
 
I have no desire to stop taking benzo's tbh mate it's a nigh on 20 year habit n no GP in there right mind is gonna risk a potential fatality by cutting me off .

I'm pretty chuffed that i've managed to give up drinking though.
 
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