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EADD Benzo Discussion v.5

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Thats interesting, will look into that. I just taking it slow with the taper, maybe 0.5mg off per week then chill at 2 mgs for a minute.
 
I actually found mxe locally already, got to love nyc. From the jungle to the hood. I might try some tea, hopefully stretch out benzo doses and help taper with giving me a new habbit.
 
pontifex01, I think part of the value of the slow taper is like I said it gives you a chance to work on regaining your natural coping mechanisms, which takes longer than it does for your brain chemistry to physically recover from the drugs themselves, you absolutely can taper more abruptly in a short space of time without it being dangerous but it makes it more likely you'll end up back on them again, i think.

some drugs are metabolised and out of your system a heck of a lot quicker than people imagine, nicotine for example, in a way that shouldn't sustain an addiction if there was no other aspect to the habit, in which case that needs to be dealt with... I don't think it's as simple as just stopping the drugs.
 
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pontifex01, I think part of the value of the slow taper is like I said it gives you a chance to work on regaining your natural coping mechanisms, which takes longer than it does for your brain chemistry to physically recover from the drugs themselves, you absolutely can taper more abruptly in a short space of time without it being dangerous but it makes it more likely you'll end up back on them again, i think.

some drugs are metabolised and out of your system a heck of a lot quicker than people imagine, nicotine for example, in a way that shouldn't sustain an addiction if there was no other aspect to the habit, in which case that needs to be dealt with... I don't think it's as simple as just stopping the drugs.
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Correct with that, i didnt heed the tapering advice properly, so reduced for 90mg to 30mg in a month and then went cold turkey.

The withdrawals from that were severe and lasted almost 10 months and was finally ready to go back to work after 12 months.

If you dont taper properly the withdrawals will be severe.
 
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You're talking about an extreme case though and giving one-sided advice though man.

Ceres, I liked your post. All those people in OD moaning about taking four years to get off 10mg diaz made me so paranoid and edgy; such a large part of benzo WD is psychological that the nocebo effect is definitely a dangerous one. I stopped hanging around OD right around when I started tapering off my diaz (I, too, was put on 90mg a day by clueless wanker doctors while I was in hospital for a month).
People make too much of a fuss about it.

Before people jump on me - I CT'd a 3 month, 4mg alprazolam habit. That was pure, unadulterated living hell. I'd take the worst heroin cluck over a benzo WD any day. I'm just saying some people make a mountain out of a mole-hill, and it can negatively effect others trying to get off the bastards.
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Well, The medical profession's do not recommend Cold Turkey from benzo's at all.

I am not saying the cold turkey method is impossible, but it can be a right nightmare and also a chance of seizures and/or death.
 
90mgs of what? Doctors get run out of town or jail for that in NY. Benzo at that dose is insane. I at 3.5mg and moving down 0.5mg every 1-2weeks. I only want to make it to 1-2mg. Going cold turkey not happening right now. I used to do that when I was young with no problem. Now a diff story, I would be a mess. Also doing this without diazapam
 
I was really expecting some withdrawals from this etiz. I went through about 48 in a week (ridiculous week, broke and lost so much), and then stopped dead...was a bit of an anxious wreck when I realised I'd run out, and I definitely felt some sort of cravings when I was trying to sleep in this dreadful heat, but other than that have felt perfectly normal.

Do I need to be on them for months and months before withdrawing is a probability after ceasing my dose?
 
It helps from what I reading if you on it long term, long taper. There are special cases and factors that can change these theories. When I was in my 20s would just binge out on stop in one day like that. Its like ripping off a bandaid. Some reason over time I lost that ability, balls lol. It sounds like you doing pretty good considering that many pills but be careful. Strange things happen coming off high doses. I would say some light excercise and vitamins, good food and you be set. I used to do those wild week binges then freakout realizing I about to run out, know where you coming from with that. The heat makes it harder but you going to feel like crap either way in a heatwave. Hard to tell if its the wds or dehydration. Feel better and stay hydrated. Also hard to eat when its hot but that helps wds
 
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GodSpeedK said:
I was really expecting some withdrawals from this etiz. I went through about 48 in a week (ridiculous week, broke and lost so much), and then stopped dead...was a bit of an anxious wreck when I realised I'd run out, and I definitely felt some sort of cravings when I was trying to sleep in this dreadful heat, but other than that have felt perfectly normal.

Do I need to be on them for months and months before withdrawing is a probability after ceasing my dose?
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if you never had problems with benzo's before, then i doubt that 48 in a week will trigger any bad withdrawal.

it gets worse the more often you go thru it tho. "kindling". just half a month on 10mg oxazepam daily will have me jumping out of my own skin if i'd cold turkey it, RLS, dread, no sleep, palpitations, and flooding the place with swaet.
 
Took me two solid months of daily etizolam use to feel any kind of withdrawal at all.

When it hit it wasn't pleasant at all, but 48 in a week? You should be fine. Just don't make it regular.
 
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jollypecker, are you/were you a chronic benzo user before you used the MXE? How high was your use of MXE? If what you're saying is true it might just be the thing to kick me down to a manageable 10mg, from which I can taper off completely in a comfortable two months.
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ponti im 37 bn on benzos since 19 im scripted 24mg clonaz was taking 5-6 mg daily but since mxe I get by with 2-3 mg :) used a gram in a week I wasn't rattling so forgetting to take doses and not feelin it :/
 
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also ponti I was on 80mg valium a day went to pick up script it was 28 for a wk instead of 56 then next wk ct ,doc gave us 0 300 h addicts kicked off dhc , methadone ,valium,mogadon,zopiclone in 2 weeks no choice arseholes , heartless bastards crime went nuts cooled down now since people changed docs ,clinics etc
 
Sounds like pretty dangerous practice really. 2 weeks is no guarantee of a replacement script and for folk on benzos especially, that could have had serious repercussions. No wonder crime went through the roof.
 
even the police pleaded our case the 1 doc who scripted everyone retired then other docs said no more , even meth patients stable for years were reduced 10ml a week , one of my 32 yr old friends died a month later of a heart attack , no proof it was their fault so I hate docs , mine screwed up changed me from 25mg val to 24 mg clonaz =480mg val so that's 3 months now then ill sue him in a couple more
 
I was, up until recently, on 4-10mgs of clonaz a day sometimes more. Managed to taper it off to none over 3 months but I still need them medically. GP prescribed me baclofen and all I need now is 2mg clonaz and 10mg bac a day. No urges to up my clonaz dose so far and its been 5 weeks on that dose.

Anyone else use baclofen? I think if I had it during my withdrawal from clonaz it would of made life easier.
 
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