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EADD Benzo Discussion v.5

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snolly said:
Yeah, it's weird, and a bit of a nightmare. I got prescribed one 10mg Temazepam after begging for it prior to my op and that was from the doc doing my surgery, not my GP. He gave me another for the second op which I actually forgot to pick up for a month. Normal GP wouldn't, even for crippling anxiety or plane flights.

Though I am looking at moving abroad after uni so...;) Specifically to France, actually, but that's coincidental

edit: ah, that explains it.
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In the US where I live it seems once you get them prescribed they practically throw them at you. It's like the longer you've had them prescribed the less doctors are wanting to go through the hassle of getting you off them. I'm prescribed 30mg temazepam but usually only take 15mg since I combine them with pregabalin (Lyrica). I went in today hoping to get another #60 and walked out with #90. :)
 
I need a doctor like that lol. My old doc was a tight ass moron. Then the pharmacies here refuse to get anything opiate or benzo related for you. Rich people in midtown is a diff story, they get dope sandwhich at yoga. The real nyorkers have easier time calling a friend than a doctor. Even if a doc script you something pharmacy not going to fill it here. Basically force people into street market.
 
That sucks, I guess this is one time where living in middle America can be a good thing. Being I'm not physically dependent (although at times I wonder) I'm stock piling while I can.
 
Its weird they used to throw meds at you here. Now soo flooded with doctors they under serious scutiny from agencies. Doctors dissapearing constantly so the ones left are terrified and extra cautious. This is nyc and you can find literally anything but thats exhausting just like healthcare. Its all the same to me, I get what I need one way or another. Stock piling lol now you talking my language. No more binging out for me, just can't deal with being cuttoff for various reasons.
 
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i get this.
 
yeah :D

Nah it's a very rare Liquid Benzo . Asfaik i am teh only person on here to ever get it on RX . 9 years n counting .

Nitrazepam / United Kingdom: Mogadon; Remnos; Somnite. live n learn .

What do you call a cat that keeps falling asleep ?

A Mogadon !!!
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Hey good luck with that stuff lol. There a very good reason they don't hand out liquid anything to normal patients. The death toll would be unimaginable. I had a bottle like that of liquid oxy. That is what started my whole problem, shot tolerance thru the roof and reason I hear today talking to other addicts looking for help.
 
im gonna ask my doc to switch me from sertaline to mirtazapine. Thats meant to help sleep and calm you during the day. She'll probably be "oooh we cant mix those 2 things, you'll have to w/d off one for 2 months and then start the other" Fuck that !

you can safely introduce a staggered switchover: : ie 0.5 mirt, 145 srt, 1 mirt 140 sert, 2 mirt, 130 sert. etc

Ive seen this chart on line in GP training manuals and im gonna print the fuckin sheet out and show it to her if she wont listen to me again. Then im changing GPs and telling her exactly why.

I might finally then be able to sleep without ingesting industrial sized cargos of benzos every night.
 
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pontifex01 said:
Easily the best benzo... Only benzo that beats temazepam IMO.
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i'd beg to differ. temaz for recreation. clonaz for NEED. actually not had any temaz in ages, not sure if i perhaps prefer zopiclone now for recreation.

question: i know the answer is MONTHS. but does anyone have any more detail on how long it takes receptors to sort themselves out?

after a few shortish periods of daily benzo use, a few years of daily alcohol use and benzos a few times a week, i've pretty much stopped. i only use benzos for insomnia, and generally as a last resort. so i use gaba agonists 1/2 times per week and am trying to reduce further. been like this since early may. was gradually reducing to this point since january.

do i have to abstain completely for beneficial effects? if not, on my current regime when can i expect a drop in tolerance? i'm getting quite depressed that my hard work isn't doing shit and losing motivation to continue. i have a lot of sources of stress in my life that i can't avoid.
 
I feel your pain with the insomnia and useless doctors. Some of them are being preassured from diff authorities not to script certain drugs or combos. Hardest thing now is find a good doc that stays in practice without getting in trouble. We the patients caught in the middle and forced to make tough decisions because authorities can't figure out what to do. Just one question do you excersise at all during the day or night? That helping me sometimes but I have huge benzo tollerance and not an easy taper. Probably drink our friends whole bottle right there lol. Best sleep ever.
 
my docs alright with prescribing me sleeping pills every so often- i only ask for them for travel or when i'm clearly an utter mess and have a very respectable occupation and have never admitted to abusing them.... i have a massive stash at all times.

biggest problem i had was switching from french to uk health system. got started on bromaz (equiv 40mg diaz daily) + 7.5mg zopiclone for sleep, and then moved from bromaz to clonaz. had all the documentation proving i'd been scripted this for a year and the english doc just outright refused to prescribe. frankly i'm glad, i'm in enough trouble with these drugs as it is having a long term clonaz script would have fucked me. just wish they could have mentioned withdrawals and given me a tapering plan rather than having to go it alone, especially given that my physical dependency was another docs fault, not my own.
 
chinup said:
question: i know the answer is MONTHS. but does anyone have any more detail on how long it takes receptors to sort themselves out?
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If you keep tweaking them on a regular basis, even intermittently, it's always going to sustain some degree of imbalance, when I tapered off daily diazepam I stopped completely and I think that's the only way really...
 
Your right about that. If you keep taking it, even spread out over days/weeks your receptors still getting full up. The taper to nothing method is better, then receptors heal eventually we hope, but its a long process as I finding out. Trying to make it to 3mg today just to put me eligible for that tapering guide I found on here. Its a long process over months and has nothing to do with your work or stress level. Its more about healing damaged receptors and improving your health. I hoping excercise can fill some of the void and accelerate the healing process. Usually it works with other tapers so I try it again.
 
Ceres/Rod- did you/are you also abstain(ing) from alcohol?

RodRamsey said:
Its a long process over months and has nothing to do with your work or stress level. Its more about healing damaged receptors and improving your health. I hoping excercise can fill some of the void and accelerate the healing process.
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the work/stress level comes into me actually being able to abstain. i will lose a job i have worked incredibly hard to get, and cannot afford to lose, if i'm not making enough progress with incredibly technical training. it is not work that can be done without sufficient sleep. i have been using weed to help me sleep but can't afford anymore. fucking poverty and stomach issues have almost made me clean living, sobriety is fucking pissing me right off, hence the motivation to stop chipping away (previously mentioned benzo stash means cash isn't an issue re using these).
 
Yes, I stopped drinking alcohol 6 months before I began my benzo taper, from 15mg a day to nothing (took 6 months) and haven't drunk alcohol since. After a year or so I have had a couple of doses of etizolam and pyrazolam very rarely (mainly to terminate a stim high but also a couple of times for stress). They hit me quite hard and I can imagine today 10mg of diazepam would floor me.

I have been on pregabalin for a long time, my tolerance for that shrinks very quickly I find, if I take a break of 3 weeks or so, but I suspect for my tolerance to drop back to zero it would be a matter of a month and a half to two months.
 
brimz said:
HEY Rod u NYC guesting inEADD yeah ?
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Ya why not? See how other people are handling these same issues of detox. Is that a no no or strange concept? In nyc we know people from all over the world so I have no problem with it. We all the same, doesn't matter where you from. I'll take advice from anyone and respect all parts of the world. You guys came here to nyc so now we are aware of your culture and its interesting how we all deal with similar issues.


@chinup- yes completely not drinking anymore. Some reason it doesn't feel good to me now. Used to drink insane amounts of beer/liquor. Trying to turn into sober living style but thats not so easy. I hear you on the stress and work issues. In similar predicament but everyone have diff issues/methods. Its good that we trying to heal up and address these issues. That a sign of progress, best wishes to everyone in detox or recovery process.
 
you would die laughing if I told you the docs names in my surgery if anyone wants to pm me ,its so unbelievable but so funny it would be suicide to write it on here id identify myself instantly to anyone in a 40 mile radius my doc the mad one who gives me crazy scripts is sane named rest for dr's are just mentally hard to believe lol
 
RodRamsey said:
@chinup- yes completely not drinking anymore. Some reason it doesn't feel good to me now. Used to drink insane amounts of beer/liquor. Trying to turn into sober living style but thats not so easy. I hear you on the stress and work issues. In similar predicament but everyone have diff issues/methods. Its good that we trying to heal up and address these issues. That a sign of progress, best wishes to everyone in detox or recovery process.
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What I found difficult about coming off benzos and giving up (most) of my drug use on the whole is just that thing of being able to reach for a chemical solution to my woes, it takes getting used to, and isn't easy, when you've had the answer in the form of a blisterpacked off-switch for your stress....it is absolutely achievable though, stick at it.

particularly with benzos, it was a huge relief to not be trapped by them in the end. A long, gradual taper is essential though.

Might help to think of it as tapering down off benzos, but in parallel you are increasing your dose of 'natural coping mechanism' and that is one thing which is good to be hooked on.
 
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