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EADD Benzo Discussion v.5

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Myshkin said:
See, you're further along the road than many, many people MDB.

Have you taken a month's sabbatical from benzos lately? They certainly don't help with feelings of self-worth in the long term.
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im not arguing with yiou, the evidence backs you up. People like brimz must be the exception to the rule eh ?

After 2 years of a heavy benzo habit a sabbatical is way easier said than done. :( Like you said one drug at a time. I think i want to get rid of the opi chain first. But the benzo one might be a better bet. Yet more variables to throw in the mix. As im kind of halfway there with my opis though, I'll stick to my taper for another 10- days to 2 weeks. Then take it from there.

Its very rare for people to get sectioned these days. A guy below me in my bed s(h)it days was batshit crazy yet he was all alone and unsupported in the world. I think you have to walk naked down princess parkway or somethig to get sectioned these daya, again AFAIK. (Actually not just AFAIK, a similar thing happened to an aquantaince of mine, before he got ambulanced off to Wythenshawe, they kept him a week, deciided he was as normal as he was ever going to be and let him go again. Its all about "CARE" (LMFAO) in the community now. In practice i think that means someone gives you a bowl of fruit once a week. :|
 
I'm not suggesting you'll get sectioned. I'm just not sure what happens if your GP can't help you, as I think Myshkin intimates, a psychiatric referral would open up a whole range of new drugs. For better or for worse.

I mean, if I was the NHS, and you came to me, with a massive RC benzo habit, an on-the-way out RC opioid habit, saying "I can't get to sleep, please help!" then I'd tell you to stop taking the RCs and start taking these prescribed drugs and I would then monitor you closely over a controlled taper.
 
mydrugbuddy said:
Its very rare for people to get sectioned these days. A guy below me in my bed s(h)it days was batshit crazy yet he was all alone and unsupported in the world. I think you have to walk naked down princess parkway or somethig to get sectioned these daya, again AFAIK. (Actually not just AFAIK, a similar thing happened to an aquantaince of mine, before he got ambulanced off to Wythenshawe, they kept him a week, deciided he was as normal as he was ever going to be and let him go again. Its all about "CARE" (LMFAO) in the community now. In practice i think that means someone gives you a bowl of fruit once a week. :|
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I haven't been sectioned, but I was referred to a psychiatrist immediately upon changing my GP.

Admittedly, a strong family history of mental illness and substance abuse, plus my own medical records (depression, moodswings, violence, horrible family life, eating issues and chronic insomnia) played a part. I also had my sister along, who was able to put all of my concerns into bullet-point form and provide support. I made it clear that I believed my former GP saw me as a drug seeker, which also helped my case.

Some people wait years for the same opportunity, but in many cases these people aren't able to fully articulate their worries, especially in what can be an intimidating environment.

I'm not saying your experience will be in any way similar, and I'm not saying that I won't end up disillusioned with what South Manchester mental health services have to offer, but it's a start. There's a lot ahead of me if I'm serious.

It's taken months of soul-searching and quite painful introspection to adopt a positive attitude and not see it as the NHS coming to murder my soul (to say nothing of the years - decades - of false starts and disappointment), but there really is help available. And believe me, I am not an easy case.
 
i know i keep banging on about my clinics,but they have been a huge help to me, i would not hesiate to recommend them to anyone. It does seem to be down to luck whether you get a great counsellor with the capacity to understand and empathise (seems to be a few piss poor useless ones unable to do this IME - ive seen 4 counsellors in my life, 2 good, 2 fuckin awful)and whether you get a good one to one support worker or a piss poor one. I was lucky, this one is the best ofd the best. She gives her days free of charge, even some eveinings for those that cant make the day time appointments, I was actually poached by her. The good counselor beat the trainee to my appointment and said words to the effect of "i'm taking this one" "Why did she (the co-ordinator) give me to her !? (the trainee)" ( a wet behind the ears trainee wou wouldnt have understood me at all, halfway through her sandwich year at salford uni).

They were fighting over me hhahahha, She likes the way i come prepared with things to talk about, and tape the sessions, as i tend to miss things first time round. Initially i did start getting fed up with the first few sessions of "tell me what happened when you were 5 years old" etc

When i explained this to her and asked if i could talk about what i really wanted to talk about, she was actually delighted, and she now says she wants me to feel as if i own the process, I dont think any psychiatrist would do that. They sound like power mad control freaks from all the anecdotal evidence ive heard.

god knows where id be now otherwise. Quite likely this would be the case:

Names beneath the lichen
on these, cemetery stones
There are carnivals of silver fish
waiting to dance upon our bones

Morbid. Me ? Id say Im a realist. Fact. Pessimists have a more realistic world view.

knock, what happens if you refuse to take the drugs a psych precribes you ?

Sam, im jesting, but i dont find it hard to believe you're not an eaay case. Fell free to call yourself a fascinating multi layered complex individual. =D

Another thing that infuriates me about my GP is that she's shit scared of combining and switching antidepressants ? "We dont know the safe way to do it" I FUCKING DO !!!!!!!!!!!. Ive spent days studying safe ways of doing these things. Scenarios like this make me so angry. I might go fuckin private for a while. Any onw had experience of that and know if the treatment is better ?
 
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mydrugbuddy said:
knock, what happens if you refuse to take drugs a psych precribes you ?
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Generally? Nothing. Unless you then become a demonstrable danger to yourself or others.

You're demonstrating that you don't wish to comply with treatment though, so you won't get a sympathetic response, to put it mildly.

mydrugbuddy said:
I dont think any psychiatrist would do that. They sound like power mad control freaks from all the anecdotal evidence ive heard.
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Are you sure you're not just forming a skewed picture of things here, based on 'horror stories' from drug users who have had 'bad experiences'?

A year ago, I might have said the same.
 
anyone had blue msj or wwd10s in glasgow area recently? Last batch of blue msj I had in april were great but im hearing these ones not so much.
 
knock said:
Is that not a bit potent for alprazolam? I'm reading that doses start at 0.5mg and go up to about 2mg. You'd get more accuracy with 100mg into 200ml, or maybe 100mg into 100ml, which is the concentration of a commercial alprazolam/pg solution, and therefore possible.

I have a 2mg/1ml etizolam/pg solution here. It was fairly easy to prepare.
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Done it today 100mg into 100ml of pg, makes you fucking hungry as fuck lol
 
I know a little about the sectioning thing, it's very unlikely that you would be sectioned outside of a mental health care facilty unless you did something really outlandish.

Once in a facility they probably won't section you if you agree to remain, there would be no need. Medication would depend on what it was, if you were prescribed an anti psychotic and didn't take it and had an episode they may section you and administer it by force.

As far as taking medication prescribed on the outside, you really shouldn't be in that situation, if you say your not going to take it why would they prescribe it, they may be awkward about further treatment though.
 
I've had light a bit peckled not very well pressed WWd10s blues lately, bawhair of valium in them but there is valium in them just an extremely small amount, last time I had blue msjs they were a mad royal blue colour and fuck knows what was in them , put me off msjs all together because a few people took bad turns from them although I had yellow ones before and they were spot on, Im not far from Glasgow at all B-)
 
Got a shit load of these new 20mg diaz, pricer than usual. 4 is about knock out dose, new xanax traingkes nic e also %)

Best drug ever I think, still cant get them prescribed. But I cant see a day when I cant go without.

Blackmarket>O.G
 
cool discovery : if you switch benzos for a few days your tolerance to the first one drops to a significant (in the scientific meaning of the word) extent.

Fuckin thrilled. (one strip of etiz sends me to sleep now, rather than waiting all night for 25 not to do anything :X)

Exhaustive trials have been done on this hypothesis - one male, age 43, on one occasion . :D
 
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