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EADD 6-APDB Thread...v.1..So what the fuck is this then?

Shambles said:
24h of no tramadol (at all) either side of any proper drugs (especially serotonergics) is the minimum for safety really. Ideally leave a few more days sans tram in the run-up to taking proper drugs to give yer brainchems a fighting chance to have levelled off a bit... Although it takes fukkin months for brainchems to level off properly if you use tram regularly :!
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Hmmm yeah, well after this 10 that I have left I'm not getting any more! It's just the only painkiller that works that I can get hold of.

Oh well, I have my ops this year :D
 
Really? That's interesting as I was prescribed Tramadol after spraining my ankle 2 weeks ago. Only took them for a few days as needed for the pain, as I really did not like it. Made me feel sick and horrible. Then boshed a whole load of 4-fa at the end of the week. Perhaps my effects were also diminished from that result. 1 week (and a half). Plus my low, scattered Thursday dose night. Though I had a great time, as is evident in some posts :)
 
I have a bit of a "thing" about tramadol ;)

A lil unexpected run-in with SS was quite the eye-opener but even leaving that aside being stuck on fukkin tramadol for a coupla years utterly ruined my druglife. Plus the w/d are pure hell - easily the most unpleasant (if not even close to being the most intense) I've ever had. Have finally gotten back to being able to take real drugs again and barely even look at me trams these days despite being in pain frequently and having a veritable shitload left. Horrid things for many reasons :|

Unfortunately, also about as good as it gets in terms of analgesia that's even vaguely feasible to get prescribed :!
 
Shambles said:
I have a bit of a "thing" about tramadol ;)

A lil unexpected run-in with SS was quite the eye-opener but even leaving that aside being stuck on fukkin tramadol for a coupla years utterly ruined my druglife. Plus the w/d are pure hell - easily the most unpleasant (if not even close to being the most intense) I've ever had. Have finally gotten back to being able to take real drugs again and barely even look at me trams these days despite being in pain frequently and having a veritable shitload left. Horrid things for many reasons :|

Unfortunately, also about as good as it gets in terms of analgesia that's even vaguely feasible to get prescribed :!
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how come your drug life was ruined?

Can't wait to knock them on the head really.
 
Cos I couldn't take any other drugs other than opies and benzos (and booze but even there the "good" effects were mostly gone leaving only the shitty ones). Oh, and dissociatives actually. Forgot about those but ket is pricey and unreliable here so since MXE got the chop it was shite :!

I tend to favour psyches and entactogens and they're both pretty iffy (extremely iffy in some cases) with tram. Stims too - doable but the jitteriness is massively increased and euphoria massively reduced.

In short, trams are shit if you like other drugs. And are also shit if you ever plan on stopping taking them once you start taking them regularly.
 
Had a close friend who got stuck on Tram for an extended period, too - seeing him in withdrawal was traumatic even for me. If it's anything like benzo withdrawal I can only imagine what it must have been like for him. In fact I had another friend who took a few over a weekend and went straight into withdrawal the week after and said it was hell.

Sounds dodgy as fuck to me!

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When I say 'like benzo withdrawal' I mean in its severity, rather than qualitatively

Also I just read back on this thread. That is quite an endorsement of APDB, Shammers!

I love(d) the 5-APB/6-APB combination. Like, really loved. At times I think I liked it better than MDMA (probably when I was on it), for the variety of its effects, its longevity and its confidence-reinforcement. Past tense because I mostly stay away from it now. Problem is, I had a tendency to binge on it (surprise surprise) and discovered that after 48 hours of being awake on it, I'd start becoming over-stimulated, over-aware and after a certain cut-off point, really quite paranoid. It caused me and my friend to completely fall out in a really ridiculous drug-fueled way TWICE. I never (read: rarely) fall out with people!

Would jump at the chance to try APDB, but I think I'm a bit too pussy to get it from overseas!
 
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Magical, magical combo. I've been absolutely blasted into space the past couple of hours. Mad visuals, music on a different planet, empathy to the max. Slipped a few times into the talking to nobody there mode haha. Can't believe it's only 12. Feels like it should be morning. I feel just....right. Amazing night, much more than I anticipated %)<3

Feel more than just right...bliss is more like right now wow <3%) <3
 
So, I feel a little bit more like a human being now but today has not been fun! Seems I overstepped things last night. It's now 4pm the next day and I still have visuals going on. Brain is absolute mush, can't sleep properly due to silly random thoughts breaking me out of a sleep. It's been a proper long while since I've felt like this.

However would just like to jot down a few things from last night before I forget. I was sent on a proper trip at certain points, fading in and out reality. One clear visual I remember was watching the rovers on Mars skid about and drill things. Very very detailed. However the one I remember most was truly believing that we are actually all part of The Matrix. Machines are running our lives and I got a glimpse into the 'real' metallic world of machinery and robots. I would snap out of it and believe that I had somehow cheated my way into seeing true reality. I could control my movements through a machine. Can still see this 'world' haha. Of course all these visuals were brought about by certain tunes in sets I was listening to. Absolutely crazy visuals on a par with the LSD combo if not even more I would say. Questioning my reality was not something I expected from the 6-apdb/MDMA combo! Other times I had loads of energy and dancing like a buffoon. Kept on seeing people in my room thinking they were real and chatting. Was like a colourful cartoon at points. Lots of OEV's. Then just like that I would zonk right out and go back into the crazy CEV land. Another encounter was climbing to the top of a random mountain, where all my 'life problems' existed. I went up 'spoke' to them and would slide back down to get back up again and do the same a few times haha. Felt like I'd achieved something special. Was just crazy and I was out of the game for a good 8 or 9 hours I reckon. Wish I could remember more of the 'experiences' but as of now I can't unfortunately. Music was seriously utter bliss and seemed to guide me through the whole experience.

Would definitely not do this combo on a night out. Far too fucked to make any sort of public appearance haha. Festival maybe but it depends what type. Unfortunately I've just used all my brain resources for the day typing this and can't think much more to say heh except if you're looking for a night of tripping then I recommend the combo, if you can tolerate the next day badness.
 
Wicked sounds fun, ive mixed 6-APB with md before, so good, then ended up snapping in and out of concious-ness towards the end, wild, got quite heavy closed eyed trippy-ness going on
 
Yeah man ^ I reckon you would like this stuff. A whole round better version of 6-apb for me. Definitely more psychedelic though. Music is much better as well. Actually now that I'm up and about now I'm reflecting a hell of a lot on last night. Things are coming back to me. It was definitely one of the best trips I've had. Feels like I've been on a mystical experience. Not even close to expecting that level. Once I recall enough detail I'm going to make a thorough trip report. Deserves one.
 
From post #257 it almost sounds like this has potential to be very trippy, almost even more so than MDA maybe? Sounds easier on the body too really.

Someone needs to gub 120-150mg off a clean head and report back. Too many trip reports now that sound great but have been mixed with other things to be sure it's good on it's own really.
 
Yes Robotnik, I'm really not sure about it. Will try again this week, have been doing far fewer drugs recently, partly cos I ran out of ket and don't want to get any more (too easy to just do it al the time), partly cos I'm now 3 days without a benzo and going for a week, and partly cos the "pirate" I have is shit.

I'm not gonna be giving it a fair trial as a complete drug noob would,but it will be better than last time, I'll podger it and a bigger dose.

I'm really not that hopeful, Funkadelica's reports look good, in combo with other drugs, My report loooked good, once other drugs were combo'd in.

GoS's report, at 150mg, was pretty lacklustre experience (not sure, and din't ask if she'd taken any benzos/etiz leading up to it)

Certainly nothing so far to think it's the same substance that hit Shambles and many others so hard at sub-100mg doses last year.
 
I'd had 0.5 of an etiz the night before. And the tramadol in the morning. I'll try it again properly soon
 
Yeah 'd had benzos during the day, as well as days of pirate and ket use, and M1...

think benzos might be the problem...

I'm already on my 3rd day without, if I can get to tomorrow night I might try it then, as Bank Holiday Monday, or otherwise Tuesday night, as I got a day off Weds.

Tramadol and etiz yeah that would dull stuff, what about your boyfriend though GoS? What dose of abcd did he take? And had he taken any benzo type drugs, or others previously?
 
My boyfriend is scripted citalopram and dexamphetamine so he'd taken them before the apdb he needs a shit load of anything to feel any effects.

We've decided to try it again and just halve what we have left and do it all at once :D
 
Mailmonkey said:
Yes Robotnik, I'm really not sure about it. Will try again this week, have been doing far fewer drugs recently, partly cos I ran out of ket and don't want to get any more (too easy to just do it al the time), partly cos I'm now 3 days without a benzo and going for a week, and partly cos the "pirate" I have is shit.

I'm not gonna be giving it a fair trial as a complete drug noob would,but it will be better than last time, I'll podger it and a bigger dose.

I'm really not that hopeful, Funkadelica's reports look good, in combo with other drugs, My report loooked good, once other drugs were combo'd in.

GoS's report, at 150mg, was pretty lacklustre experience (not sure, and din't ask if she'd taken any benzos/etiz leading up to it)

Certainly nothing so far to think it's the same substance that hit Shambles and many others so hard at sub-100mg doses last year.
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Hmm yea but taking tramadol or SSRI's before any sertonin releasing drug is going to lead to a lacklustre experiance anyway. It was your report (and that most recent one by Funkadelica adding to it) that lead me to believe it must be worth a bash. I can't see that you wouldn't have had the whole staring at the painting thinking there was jewelry weaving into everything if you hadn't done the meph/M1.

Also you need to take into account if you'd been boshing the pirate a fair bit, most other seratonin releasing type drugs wouldn't do much I wouldn't think. I'd say you'd be right to podger it, might help with the long come up which I can't be fucked with.

I do believe it has potential considering all the trippy MDA-esq type visuals/happenings yourself and Funkadelica have reported. Surely it has to be at least decent, it sounds like I'd enjoy it more than MDMA anyway, which seems boring and uneventful these days 8(
 
gayorstraight said:
We've decided to try it again and just halve what we have left and do it all at once :D
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really, careful with that, that's gonna be about 350mg each yeah? (I'm assuming you bought a g and both had 150mg from it) I know it doesn't always seem it, but this place is about harm reduction, and considering how little this chem has been used and tested, and even very few experience reports (all suggesting far lower doses than 350mg) are around, I'd say that is probably a bit unwise.

Dr_Robotnik said:
Hmm yea but taking tramadol or SSRI's before any sertonin releasing drug is going to lead to a lacklustre experiance anyway. It was your report (and that most recent one by Funkadelica adding to it) that lead me to believe it must be worth a bash. I can't see that you wouldn't have had the whole staring at the painting thinking there was jewelry weaving into everything if you hadn't done the meph/M1.

Also you need to take into account if you'd been boshing the pirate a fair bit, most other seratonin releasing type drugs wouldn't do much I wouldn't think. I'd say you'd be right to podger it, might help with the long come up which I can't be fucked with.

I do believe it has potential considering all the trippy MDA-esq type visuals/happenings yourself and Funkadelica have reported. Surely it has to be at least decent, it sounds like I'd enjoy it more than MDMA anyway, which seems boring and uneventful these days 8(
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Yeah it went on for far too long after I'd stuck the pirate and M1 up me arse, and snorted the pirate/ket lines.......

The serotonin effect of pirate doesn't really come out in me as I use it as a coke replacement. I'm not that interested in serotogernic (is a word?) drugs, at least, not those with serotonin as a main focus anyway.....But, through doing pirate so much, mdma, and any other serotogernic drug really fail to release as they should......

Colours, visuals? DMT, I've just reminded myself what a proper drug is =D .
 
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