MrIbis
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Yeah i know man, but its about convienience - how many people do you know that actually know real vendors, not a fuckload eh?
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E*lectric Eels & related products
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phase_dancer
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Could you please explain your source for this information or at least why it is considered reliable? If this comes from anyone involved in marketing these products, you would have to take it with a pinch of salt.
If on the other hand, it is through a legit lab, one which has samples for quantitative analysis, then there should be no problems divulging the source.
Verybuffed
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I don't believe a word that guy says, he is hardly a reliable source.
belarki
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^^ think he was referring to our good friend doron sabag? (see the neorganics thread)
If they are just the neorganics range being resold under a different name then there are cheaper alternatives in Aus. I haven't tried any of the other vendors so can't vouch for quality, service, etc but after a quick look at their websites they are offering the neo powders at 30-40% cheaper per 10g.
Jakeperson said:
If they are just the neorganics range being resold under a different name then there are cheaper alternatives in Aus. I haven't tried any of the other vendors so can't vouch for quality, service, etc but after a quick look at their websites they are offering the neo powders at 30-40% cheaper per 10g.
Verybuffed
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That's the one.
dannyburling
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I beg to differ there. Neo powder is cut heaps (I reckon 50/50 or 60/40) and their prices are USD. tav is pure and AUD.
Verybuffed
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And you don't work for them?
dannyburling
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no i dont. what a lot of bullshit
dannyburling
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However I can see why I have been accused of this before as I have posted a few different forums. BUT mainly for the reason of wanting some info before ordering as I have bought a heap of herbals before that cost heaps and dont do much.
MrIbis
Bluelighter
I clearly said it's doron. It's not exactly reliable, but in saying that he hasnt been one to divulge information in the past, and divulging it now makes me think he has a reason for this.
he stated he supplied TAV with 4mmc and other chemicals which are present in the TAV range... I dont see what reason he has to lie given he has a bit of competition now, and he seemed pretty pissed off at the guy who runs TAV (named him as mitch) for ripping him off.
For all it's worth it could be marketing - and yeah, reliable was the wrong choice in wording. I'm personally going to try the TAV Electric eel product and see how it compares to both lab grade 4mmc and neo-organics range.
I'm no ion scanner or spectrum sample, but at least i can give some decent anecdotal advice - which in my opinion can be almost as useful as quantiative gc/ms results - provided the people giving the advice know and there is enough variance to create some kind of statistic.
MrIbis
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Received 1g of "electric eel" powder.
Appearance is pretty much identical to 'pure' 4mmc i've seen, white fluffy powder, no scent at all. will try later and report back. The consistency is very much like flour, it clumps together. a gram looked like about an 8ball.. pure 4mmc ive seen looked similar
Appearance is pretty much identical to 'pure' 4mmc i've seen, white fluffy powder, no scent at all. will try later and report back. The consistency is very much like flour, it clumps together. a gram looked like about an 8ball.. pure 4mmc ive seen looked similar
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Heisenberg
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How does it feel up the nose?
MrIbis
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Okay, did 200mg orally, and probably about 30mg nasally about 30 mins later..
It's definately 4mmc - that much is certain. The effects are dying off now, i took the drug at 3pm, came up within 20-30mins. then snorted the line to boost the effect of the attack dose.
2 and a half hours or so i got out of it, pretty good ride - i'd say its comparable to the pure 4mmc i've had most definately.
It's definately 4mmc - that much is certain. The effects are dying off now, i took the drug at 3pm, came up within 20-30mins. then snorted the line to boost the effect of the attack dose.
2 and a half hours or so i got out of it, pretty good ride - i'd say its comparable to the pure 4mmc i've had most definately.
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phase_dancer
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Apologies, I must have missed that bit.
Yes, but considering he mislead consistently on the safety and legality of the constituents, particularly in response to customer inquiries, I'd take everything he says with a pinch of salt. Commercial intent with such products has been shown to seldom equate to honesty with product ID.
Well, I suppose you could always be better than the myriad of other users who guessed wrongly on the original ingredients
![:\](https://bluelight.org/xf/BL_Images/Orig_Emoji/wrygrin.gif "wry grin :\")
I'm well aware the ingredients may have changed, or the percentages altered, but anecdotal evidence is limited when determining just what is present. I'm afraid personal opinion doesn't even come close to estimating all possible constituents, and is certainly miles away from the level of accuracy and sensitivity obtained via mass spec.
antheads
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the new nd's don't cntain 4mmc (imho)
"Commercial intent with such products has been shown to seldom equate to honesty with product ID.|"
the same applies to bigpharma and side effects with their antidep products, even if it means proven coreleated school murder rampages by teenagers...
"Commercial intent with such products has been shown to seldom equate to honesty with product ID.|"
the same applies to bigpharma and side effects with their antidep products, even if it means proven coreleated school murder rampages by teenagers...
Heisenberg
Ex-Bluelighter
ND1 is still 4mmc+eth
I had two of the Eel caps last night. Here's a lowdown on how they went - first cap swallowed at 7pm, began feeling speed type effects about 1 hour in. Moved to MDMA type feeling at the 2 hour mark without empathy and I can say clealy then are missing "something", quite speedy effects are still hammering away. 3 hours in swallow another, remain the same until 1am. Across this time, I had about 6 beers, the Eel appeared to destroy the effect of booze for me. At 1am, fell straight asleep no problems and woke up about 9:30am. No hangover today whatsoever and was able to eat breakfast no problems.
Overall, am impressed that they work but certainly not to the level stated by individuals in this thread or the testimonials on TAV website. I would consume again but not orally as they took ages to come on.
Overall, am impressed that they work but certainly not to the level stated by individuals in this thread or the testimonials on TAV website. I would consume again but not orally as they took ages to come on.
MrIbis
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well i had to cap up the 'pure' powder into 200mg caps, and pushed into 00 caps they capsule appeared completely filled when i pressed that into it. No doubt TAV is using some kind of capping device, but theres no information as to what dosage of the drug is placed in each capsule - or what cutting/filling agents are used.
Buy the powder, and weigh and cap it yourself - erowid, my personal experience and other reports clearly state that 4mmc's dosage is about 200mg. The powder i got from TAV appeared to look like pure 4mmc - i'd like to see a quantiative result on the powder, p_d if swim were to send you some, would you be able to have it analyzed possibly, in the interest of public safety of course.
Buy the powder, and weigh and cap it yourself - erowid, my personal experience and other reports clearly state that 4mmc's dosage is about 200mg. The powder i got from TAV appeared to look like pure 4mmc - i'd like to see a quantiative result on the powder, p_d if swim were to send you some, would you be able to have it analyzed possibly, in the interest of public safety of course.