Stimulants DXM to assist in quitting Dexedrine - stupid plan or not?

[RobotRipping]

So i've been binging for weeks now on dexedrine, EPH, on psychs, other stims and whatever else i have around which is enough so i've been fucked up for quite a while. I've been on a 36 hour/day schedule, where i sleep 12-16 hours then stay up 36-40 or so hours and have been doing this for weeks.

So essentially i'm fucked. I'm scripted dexedrine for ADHD which it is very very helpful for. Problem is that i've abused the living shit out of it and my normal dose does not work effectively anymore, not even close to a normal dose will work in fact.

I need about 80mg at a time to not feel like shit. Script is for 100mg/day but i only want to take 40mg/day because i have insomnia and a bit of anxiety issues still lingering. (and TBH i still want left overs for once a month binges when i don't have any psychedelics)

Now here's the plan: Get 5g of dextromethorphan (DXM), you know the good shit in cough syrup. I will then start replacing DXM for dexedrine, so day 1 will be 300mg pure DXM and no dexedrine, day 2 will be 400mg dxm, no dexedrine, and so on and so on until dexedrine is no longer plaguing me with its nasty cravings. I can handle the DXM no problem, look at my name i won't have any issues discontinuing DXM after 5 grams but will indeed end up in some 3rd-4th plateau trips to clean out the gutters from all this stupid stimulant abuse. I'm completely aware of the risks and dangers with using DXM and other dissociatives, proper dose, only using pure dxm, set/setting and all that.

Is this idea completely fucking retarded (no offense to any retarded people reading)? is it simply another justification to use even more drugs to fix drug related issues? for me to fail at and then go back to binging? wtf do i do if that's the case? Or will this actually/possibly? work? I can't keep going the way i am right now i'll either end up in complete psychosis or running myself out of meds and fucking up school which is not an option. So something has to change. I have 3 weeks to accomplish this task and get my shit in order without going psychotic or fucking myself over.

I just want a 3rd person perspective on this and whether this sounds like a ridiculous drug addict plan or if there is some legitimacy to approaching my dexedrine dependence and addiction with an NMDA antagonist like DXM, as there is some evidence to its efficacy in treating such issues and i am more than well experienced with DXM. I'd prefer advice that is objective and critical of the plan itself and not my incredibly horrible lifestyle habits and such.

I can also go with iboga instead but i feel it's a more risky option and yeah i can quit cold turkey, but it in general does not work out well for me. I've tried tapering but that seems to cause more misery than even cold turkey. After i quit, if this plan indeed works or not, my girlfriend will be holding my meds for me as i am no longer in control and realize this.

 

[opiatekrzy]

I can see DXM being used in the Aide of Opiate withdrawl since it is structurally similar to codeine (I believe??) and also I heard with the mix of Dexedrine can cause serotonin syndrome, so I wldn't mix them even if ur 24hrs clean from Dexedrine, personally I don't see DMX beneficial in the aide of Dexedrine Withdrawl whatsoever

 

[highhooked]

I am well experienced with dxm as well but more frequently I'll dose a lot lower 70-150mg. especially when I get into the 100mg range I get a good boost of energy and a nice little dissociated type head space which suits me well.

so basically I don't see why it wouldn't help? I think the dosages you are talking about are a little extreme especially if you redose for days in a row! I would try an Start lower and see if the positive effects are still present without being fucked out of your skull fir days at a time. haha

 

[Benwise]

Can't dxm and stims cause serotonin syndrome?

 

[Moredopamine]

I don't think it's really necessary. AMphetamine w/d is mostly psychological. The DXM might hamper your recovery.

As a rule of thumb, it's a bad idea to use abusable substances to get off another abusable substance unless it's absolutely necessary

 

[RobotRipping]

Amp wd does have a huge physical component to it u basically can't do or enjoy anything for at least a week eat tons of food and sleep constantly I want to basically have energy and be fucked up enough to not feel any misery. I'll start low and go from there. I won't be mixing damp with dxm and there is evidence that dxm will stop cravings...I love dxm anyway and have the pure powder so will at least see if it helps at all with a low dose. And no dxm and dexedrine will not cause ss dexedrine is not a serotonin released it may cause other issues but I won't be mixing them anyhow

 

[opiatekrzy]

mind over body. mental withdrawl can sure as hell cause a lot of physical pain and symptoms, back aches, migraines, dizzy spells, constant sleeping, no energy to even walk to take a piss...I know this is all mental WD, but it sure as hell can feel like physical WD...mind controls out body, very amazing thing

 

[whiteboi22]

sorry folks, not trying to hijack the thread here but I really need someone knowledgeble to help me

First of all, yes SWIM is an idiot for doing this, no need to point out.

Hello, Yesterday SWIMS mom bought cough syrup. First SWIM used it like hes supposed to, but the next day SWIM got curious and wanted to try and get a high. When there was about 90mL left, SWIM just drank all of it in the period of maybe 1 hour.

For the next 2-3 hours it was the weirdest mix of melowness, relexation, and detachment accompanied by a strong feeling of not liking it. The mellow part was great, but something just wasnt right because SWIM wanted it to stop.

5mL of syrup contained 15mg DXM and 30MG pseudoephedrine (HOLY SHIT) and 200(!!)mg guaifenesin(SWIM dont think this one does anything except soften the mucus in the lungs)

So that means SWIM took in approximately 270mG of DXM which SWIM read is a significant dose, but with it SWIM automatically took in 540mg of pseudoephedrine. I weight 80 kilos, so thats about 3.375mg DXM/kilogram - a dose that gets people pretty fucked up.

How bad is it that SWIM took in such a large amount of pseudoephedrine with already a big amount of DXM?? WHat are the chances it could have caused permanent damage to SWIMS brain/liver/anything else??

 

[Ksa]

Dexedrine can be quit cold turkey regardless of dose without too much hassle. DXM is too weak you would probably need codeine but watch the dose because the body already responds to the dex excitement with a downer effect that is 100% compatible and stacks with the effects of the opioid you take.

 

[whiteboi22]

Oh, I wasnt worried about getting addicted. I was just worried that I downed 500mg of pseudo along with the dxm. I heard some guy did the same dumb shit as me, but his bottle was bigger and had 1500mg, and he nearly died.

 

[Ksa]

Oh, I wasnt worried about getting addicted. I was just worried that I downed 500mg of pseudo along with the dxm. I heard some guy did the same dumb shit as me, but his bottle was bigger and had 1500mg, and he nearly died.

Natural selection, I wouldn't be bothered too much about it. Stupid people die all the time, in 1000s of ways, you can't save them.

 

[Opanaking]

I always found with Dexedrine the best way out is to deal with whatever withdrawals came my way. If I were you I would start taking it more infrequently, such as every other day, then every second day, ect.

Also L-Tyrosine is a great supplement for energy and dopamine production once you quit. If you were really going to take something you could try an energetic form of kratom for a couple days such as Thai or Mang Da.

If I were you I would recommend cutting back as much as you can then just dealing with it.

I would also recommend eating healthy food and taking a daily multi vitamin with fish oil. Usually nutrition gets neglected with stimulant use so the best way to speed up your recovery is to start eating healthy.

Also exercise will help a lot with the depression and lethargic feeling. Remember most of Dexedrine withdrawal is mental, so maintain a positive attitude and eventually after a couple weeks you'll feel back to normal.

 

[DexyDevil]

If you can't handle stimulant withdrawal you need to quit using hard drugs. Stimulant withdrawal consists of sleeping for a few days, eating everything in sight and feeling bummed out. You'll also have cravings. That's it. It isn't remotely comparable to the horrors of opiate or GABAergic withdrawal.

 

[RobotRipping]

^well the physical withdrawal isn't bad no, it doesn't even last long but the fucking cravings are horrible. I've done plenty of opiate/benzo withdrawals, by all means they are worse in that aspect but in the sense that i cannot stop myself from taking stimulants when i have them until they are all gone and i'm fully immersed in hallucinations from sleep deprivation is the issue. As well i've been on dexedrine/other stims for months daily and have a nice script for it that's kind of hard to turn down when you love that euphoria, focus, concentration, motivation and such.

In any case, i got another day or two left of dexedrine and then it's time to just face it. I think i've finally hit the point where i don't even enjoy it any more, last binge i did i ended up hallucinating really badly after being up for 3 days straight and i think i've had enough of the shadow people for a while. Ideally i'd taper but that's just not going to happen, so ill binge the shit out of it and then i'll be done, until i get a refill anyway at which point my tolerance will be back down and i'll be in school and won't have time to binge and keep a fucked up schedule going.

I can handle a stim/opiate/benzo withdrawal, or all 3 together, i just don't want to. I've ran a polydrug addiction for so damn long that if i withdraw i don't even know what it's from but the sleepiness, eating everything and feeling depressed is the part of dexedrine withdrawal that makes it shitty because i have to function still. I think it is mostly psychological and psychosomatic but not entirely, but anyway, going into a withdrawal with a strong mindset and not even wanting to use the drug any more helps a shit load whether it is with opiates/benzos/stims or whatever.

thx for the advice everyone, i'm going to try taking some dextromethorphan to take away the depression, complete fatigue and cravings (it's actually quite good at killing cravings), at least for a few days, i have just enough of it to get through the week of shitty depression/fatigue/laziness and not end up becoming a dissociative addict again. I miss DXM anyway, been a few years and i always found it therapeutic and have used it hundreds of times. It destroys depression, is stimulating itself and kills stim cravings, so hey, why not? I need to clean the old gutters out as well, perhaps destroy my ego and get some perspective on things.

The physical dependency from stims is minimal but the addiction from it is fucking intense once your tolerance is out of control (like 200mg dextroamphetamine/day kind of thing). I need stims (therapeutic doses) to function normally (or perhaps better than normal) but abusing them just destroyed that so i just need to get back to normal and in 2 months, i'll go back to my normal therapeutic prescribed dose and not fuck around any more.

To the poster that took 500mg of PSE - i've done that a few times just out of boredom when i was younger, it's a pretty shitty feeling and probably not great for you but won't necessarily kill you. I would never dose that high again though, it's just a shitty peripheral stimulant with minimal recreational effects. Ephedrine is superior and it is complete shit as well.

I've done higher doses along with DXM and it's just a bad idea, definitely a risk you don't want to take as there is no reward. If you want to get high on DXM, get only DXM syrup or gelcaps or get the pure powder. If you want to get high on stimulants - well there are far better options. Sry TL;DR spun !