drugs regime for optimum life improvement?

[geoff]

Let me give you an example I use heroin once a week or so for it's antidepressant effects,with this time period i have no problems with addiction and little/no effects of tolerance and find this arrangement has improved my life enormously,i'd be interested to know how often others would reccomend using different drugs with the least side effects (addiction,mental/physical damage) Here is my own personal list. HEROIN-weekly COCAINE-once a month METH-never because i live in the uk WEED-weekly ALCOHOL-monthly MDMA-once every six months (never wanna lose that feeling) LSD-about 10 times spread over the course of a summer CRACK-never (it's not worth it) Please include reasons with your posts,i will do in more detail later.PS i know everybodys different but if you where to advise Mr drugs nieve esquire on the perfect drugs regime what would it be?

 

[themagicbean]

Stimulants are especially nice for me because they seem to grant increased productivity while getting me high. Meth (being the longest-acting [excluding the elusive 4-MAR] and cheapest) is the best though, cocaine is great but it just dies off way to quick to act as a functional stimulant for most of the population.

 

[RaverMadness]

There is[/is] speed in the UK, but from what I've read it's A.) usually amphetamine, instead of the meth- kind, and B.) frequently of low quality.
That being said, it seems like you have a pretty safe, responsible drug regimen. If you're self-medicating with the aid of illegal drugs, that's fine, you just shouldn't depend on drugs to fix your life, as per the title of this post. That's where a lot of people get into trouble, especially with alcohol.
Take care of yourself.

 

[Syd_Barret]

I know this is not the best thing in the world to do... but every once in a while after a long weekend of staying up every night and doing an assortment of different things I take a couple of xan bars to put me to sleep if I have school the next morning. Otherwise I would not be able to get my sleep that night. It has really saved my school life many a times. School life as in grades hw.. etc.
I should try to get a hold of some Ambien or other sleeping pill...
[ 03 April 2002: Message edited by: Syd_Barret ]

 

[fairnymph]

I use heroin once a week or so for it's antidepressant effects
Keep telling yourself that, buddy...

 

[geoff]

Fairnymph it is definately possible to use heroin occasionly or periodically without getting hooked or increasing your usage,it just depends what type of personality you have and being sensible and sticking to once a week or so,why would i start taking it more frequently or even daily because i know for a fact that's when i'll become physically and mentally dependent.
I can never understand addicts who say "I promised myself i'd never get hooked-but once a week turned into twice a week and then before i knew it i was hooked.." Don't they do any homework on the drug they're taking! Anyway as far as i'm concerned it definately is possible to take heroin occasionally I should know i've been doing it for 3 years now and have found it the most life enhancing substance in the whole world

 

[themagicbean]

^^^
I think what Fairnymph was pointing out is that calling heroin an antidepressant is crap, no antidepressant will create the euphoric effects that an opiate/-oid will, therefore claiming to use heroin as an antidepressant is really more of an example of escapist drug useage. Heroin might help with depression in the short-term, but it's sure not going to help in the long-term.

 

[fairnymph]

^^^
Exactly.
I never said that heroin can't be used occasionally without one becoming addicted to it...hell I tried it once but you wont find me ever touching that stuff again (made me feel like shit, yes I know I am weird and abnormal)!
I don't care if people use drugs. I don't care what drugs they use or how often they get high. Seriously, knock yourself out. But don't try and justify it with that " oh, I'm self medicating, it's my antidepressant" crap. Of course you feel better when you are high, but that doesn't mean the drug is really helping you improve your life (overall).
If you want to treat your depression, I can suggest plenty of drugs -- drugs like Prozac, Wellbutrin, Zoloft, Remeron etc. Show me a study which conclusively demonstrates the efficacy of treating depression with opiates, and then go get a script for heroin from your local GP, and then I'll shut up. Until then, however, you need to accept that your drug usage is "recreational" not "medicinal".
[ 05 April 2002: Message edited by: fairnymph ]

 

[geoff]

Well "themagicbean" calling heroin an antidepressant isn't crap seeming how it is THE most effective in the world if used responsibly,much more effective than the frankly useless prescription ones.You say it couldn't be called an antidepressant because prescription ones don't produce euphoria,well perphaps they should then at least they'd work.Lastly you say it may work in the short term but in the end it sure won't.Well i'm afraid to tell you it has already worked in the long term for me and for others i know.People seem to be making crass generalisations that everybody who uses this drug will ended up with a worse life than when they started,which is true for most people but there is definately some who can keep complete control of their use and get a vast majority of positive benefits from it.

 

[fairnymph]

People seem to be making crass generalisations that everybody who uses this drug will ended up with a worse life than when they started,
Stop putting words in my (and others') mouth. When did I ever say anything like this? As I said, I make no judgements about heroin making people's lives worse...
As for heroin being an effective antidepressant, why don't you try and back up your flamboyant claims by citing a study?

 

[Capt. ChickenBone]

aren't all narcotics depressants?
Heck, I get euphoric after a few pints but that's not to say booze is an antidepressant.
I think what you meant was you find the weekly jolt of euphoria therapeutic.
Still and all why bother trying to justify your use? At the end of the day its all just different degrees of debauchery (nothing wrong with that).
So yea.. shoot up and be merry!

 

[DigitalTweak]

Originally posted by geoff:

I can never understand addicts who say "I promised myself i'd never get hooked-but once a week turned into twice a week and then before i knew it i was hooked.." Don't they do any homework on the drug they're taking!
Opinions are opinions and this is just mine. I feel you are a fairly closeminded person if you can never understand addicts who say "I promised myself i'd never get hooked-but once a week turned into twice a week and then before i knew it i was hooked.." either that or you just dont want to understand. Heroin must have some pull for you if you have continued to use it weekly for the past three years, it also shows you have some sort of addiction to heroin, not physical but mental wether you can admit it or not. You also seem to hold yourself above those who are physicaly addicted to it. You still are using H it makes you no better than the next junky. As for this comment "Don't they do any homework on the drug they're taking!" This seems to me a "crass generalisation" of heroin users who get addicted. I did tons of research on Heroin and i still got addicted, for some heroin is a drug that grabs them by the genitals and throws them in to a brick wall. I am not blaming the drug for my addiction, i love dope and it did seem to enhance my life and i will never regret being hooked and kicking it, it taught me many things, the things you have to learn for yourself.

 

[eacoasticas]

Antimanic, antidepressant, and antipanic effects of opiates: clinical, neuroanatomical, and biochemical evidence
by
Gold MS, Pottash AC, Sweeney D, Martin D, Extein I
Ann N Y Acad Sci 1982; 398:140-50
ABSTRACT
These clinical data may offer some support for the hypothesis that opiates have antidepressant, antimanic, and antipanic effects. This hypothesis should be studied directly by double-blind studies of the effects of exogenous and synthetic endogenous opioid peptides in patients with major depressive illness, panic and anxiety states, schizophrenia, and schizo-affective illness. These clinical data support our studies in nonhuman primates and man which suggest a common LC or NE hyperactivity may underly both drug withdrawal and spontaneous panic states. Whether endorphin deficiency or derangements account for the postulated NE hyperactivity needs additional study and we will discuss our preliminary work later. Failure of endorphins to terminate bursts in LC firing rate and NE release may be responsible for both of these types of panic states. In addicts, this mechanism could exist prior to opiate use, or abuse of potent exogenous endorphinomentic compound may cause an endorphin-abnormality. Both of these possibilities would be compensated by continuous opiate maintenance. Methadone maintenance is a complicated psychiatric, psychological, and social phenomenon. Further studies are necessary to evaluate the role of opiate maintenance in treating or suppressing the emergence of underlying psychopathology. Previous psychiatric hospitalization or treatment for a schizophrenic or affective illness may contraindicate absolutely the use of clonidine or other rapid detoxification methods. These data suggest the possibility of substituting a nonaddicting psychotropic medication for opiates in some patients who are self-medicators. The clinical data support other data suggesting the potential antipsychotic, antidepressant, and antianxiety/antipanic effects of the endogenous opioids, endorphins, and exogenous opioids, endorphins, and exogenous opiates. These and other data suggest potential utility for opioid agonists and endorphin testing in psychiatric treatment and diagnosis.
Life's a trip isnt it?!

 

[SovietContin]

Okay, we're talking about using drugs for the purpose of optimizing your life. Then we're talking about drugs like heroin, meth, cocaine and ecstasy.
I really shouldn't have to say more, but since the initial post actually got responses, I guess I do have to.
First of all, hey Mr. I-Use-Heroin-As-An-Anti-Depressant... come talk to me in a fucking year about you're having no problems with addiction or tolerance. With any luck, you won't talk to me, really.. you will have ODed. Try to employ some common sense in the meantime.
Meth.. oh, this is great for optimizing your life! The human body responds so fucking well to methamphetamine! It doesn't have the slightest bit of neurotoxic effect nor does it age the body!
MDMA.. yeah, creating chemical imbalance in your brain and destroying both memory cells and 5-HT neurons is TOTALLY life optimal!
Cocaine.. well, compared to everything else at least it's not SO bad.
Well next time I pass through the city and a bunch of strung out niggers and spics are yelling "hey, what you need!", I'll be sure to note that these guys are just optimizing their lives.

 

[Brainrape]

Originally posted by fairnymph:

As for heroin being an effective antidepressant, why don't you try and back up your flamboyant claims by citing a study?
Fairnymph,
Why does there HAVE to be a fucking study done to demonstrate heroin (or any drug) is an effective anti-depressant for you to believe it's possible? Are you so closed to this idea of "alternative therapy" that you must require some sort of validation from goddamn clincial study to even accept the notion?
Seems to me the only flamboyant remarks being uttered are those that ignoarantly dictate another person's experience with a drug can only be quantified and validated if a proper academic study done on it.
An anti-depressant is something used to prevent or treat clincal depression, and if you haven't realized, this can be a variety of different things. Including things that haven't been offcially declared anti-depressants by any clincal studies out there...
The best (and most esoteric) example of this I have ever seen actually invloves a close friend of mine. He's an older guy, has had mental issues for a long fucking time and who has been diagnosed with clinical depression. No medications do anything for him (including SSRI's), no illegal drugs help, and none of that icky stuff like exercise and religion can offer him any solace whatsoever, but he finally found a cure that works for him. The only thing that seems to help him out (and I am totally serious) is taking a bunch of old cans out of the trash, lining them up on an old wooden fence at the end of his pasture and shooting the fuck out of them with his assortment of guns.
I can attest to the fact that he comes back looking 10 years younger and healthier, he's happy for weeks afterward, and if he sometimes feels a little down again, he just goes shootin up cans, just like you go pop SSRI's. He swears it's the only thing that helps him get his mind off all the bullshit keeping him down. He's been doing this for quite a few years now, and it just works wonders for him, better than any drug ever could...
Couldn't one say that for this person in particular, putting bullets in tin cans is an effective and valid anti-depressant. Wouldn't you?
Now show me an academic study done on the merits of shooting tin cans with old guns like some disgruntled old hillbilly cliche?
Anything in this world can be used as an anti-depressant, inlcuding opiates, irregardless of what you or any medical study mandates. It's something so individual and unique to each person that you can't give a final word in any case, and shouldn't be so quick to skepticism...
SovietContin,
Personally, I've been using heroin (and other opiates) to relax and sometimes to treat depression for over 4 years now. I have no problems with addiction and have the tolerance of a fucking toddler. I have never OD'd on any drug, and, surprise, there are many many people out there with the same story as me. Remember, just because you're hooked on smack and dealing with some insane fucking tolerance doesn't mean that's the only fucking way things have to go...
Brainrape