BurroughsTheCat
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Ahh well then you will get way better stuff than over here. Sure doesn't a fuckload of drugs come in through Antwerp?
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shimazu
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im not saying it is the most in-depth research but there is still a decent outline of how its distributed. Most domestic meth labs are in unassuming houses in rural areas being made by older white males. If its not from there its probably from Mexico.
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GodSpeedK
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Dunno where in Europe you reside, but it's all over the place in the UK (same with Holland and Germany - probably even more so). A lot more popular than in the USA, but don't think it beats Canada's love for ket.
Pill2Chill
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Yeah quite a bit. And I live near Antwerp. :D
Hazyasusual
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I really wish we had Ketamine here
Ditto
Captain.Heroin
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In the northeast, it's pretty rare. On the west coast, the mid-west, and the deep south, meth is pretty rampant. For some reason, it's a lot less prevalent in the northeast US.
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Sprout
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I'd imagine Meth isn't as prevalent here as Pseudoephedrine is a bitch to get from a pharmacy: Oh, you want Sudafed, how about this glucose tablet instead? Or phenylepherine HCL, or paracetamol, or anything other than Pseudo?".
Plus, NH4Cl is rather tightly controlled, there's no great big fertilizer tanks like in the deep South of the U.S.
Plus, NH4Cl is rather tightly controlled, there's no great big fertilizer tanks like in the deep South of the U.S.
limonov
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New Zealand has homebake- heroin made from acetylating morphine extracted from morphine pills (MScontin/MSeslon/Sevradol). There is also homebake made from codeine pills (codeine->morphine->heroin), but that is very rare. Apparently it also exists in more isolated parts of Australia- NSW and Perth, Darwin.
New Zealand, being a former British colony, also had a huge amount of opiates that the US never got back in the day...most of them were withdrawn from use in the 80s. Great shit like Welconal (Dipropanone + Cyclizine), plastic pills that were terrible to shoot (amputations & whatnot). They were pink and came in green and yellow boxes, made in South Africa. They were excellent because you didn't need to shoot them to get a great rush...though of course most people did. They cyclizine would made you hallucinate if you took too many of them- welconal addicts were the fucking worst. They'd talk to themselves, do insane shit, walk around like zombies. Great drug though...gotta watch the cyclizine intake.
And Palfium, which was dextromoramide- sorta light orange, 'peach' coloured, sorta egg shaped. You didn't needa shoot them either, very euphoric. Didn't last very long, only like 4-5 hours which isn't that great. They were expensive, only came in 5mg pills, so I never took many of them, but they were pretty fucking cool. It's a realy strange sensation having a proper rush 15-20 minutes after taking a pill.
Actually, there were heaps of weird synthetic opiates floating round in the 80s. It was a very british/british-colonial thing though- the US developed its own synthetic opiates while Europe continued using semi-synthetics (like France).
The US doesn't get everything- Welconal was in a completely different league to oxy or even hydromorphone. And Palfium is widely considered the most addictive opiate ever created. It was perfection when it came to abuse potential.
New Zealand, being a former British colony, also had a huge amount of opiates that the US never got back in the day...most of them were withdrawn from use in the 80s. Great shit like Welconal (Dipropanone + Cyclizine), plastic pills that were terrible to shoot (amputations & whatnot). They were pink and came in green and yellow boxes, made in South Africa. They were excellent because you didn't need to shoot them to get a great rush...though of course most people did. They cyclizine would made you hallucinate if you took too many of them- welconal addicts were the fucking worst. They'd talk to themselves, do insane shit, walk around like zombies. Great drug though...gotta watch the cyclizine intake.
And Palfium, which was dextromoramide- sorta light orange, 'peach' coloured, sorta egg shaped. You didn't needa shoot them either, very euphoric. Didn't last very long, only like 4-5 hours which isn't that great. They were expensive, only came in 5mg pills, so I never took many of them, but they were pretty fucking cool. It's a realy strange sensation having a proper rush 15-20 minutes after taking a pill.
Actually, there were heaps of weird synthetic opiates floating round in the 80s. It was a very british/british-colonial thing though- the US developed its own synthetic opiates while Europe continued using semi-synthetics (like France).
The US doesn't get everything- Welconal was in a completely different league to oxy or even hydromorphone. And Palfium is widely considered the most addictive opiate ever created. It was perfection when it came to abuse potential.
In fact Palfium of that colour (anr the ones you describe are not original Roche brand as dispensed in UK/Ireland as they were round) are the 10mg strength. 5mg are white, and now the only strength available in Netherlands. In Ireland and Luxembourg the 10mg are still available but it is now withdrawn in every other country. The excuse was a shortage of dextromoramide but that only lasted a couple of months. It is now dreadfully expensive and the NL 5mg pills are more expensive than Irish or Luxembourgeois 10mg!
I have to stock up twice yearly in all three countries so I end up with enough from 3 month scripts of each strength to keep my high dosage going.
Dipipanone is equally as wonderful an analgesic and both are far more effective and enjoyable than the free NHS 500mg vials of heroin hydrochloride which is so much easier to access. Diamorphine is good enough but being a non-injector it is hard to explain to your doctor that you need 500mg rather than 60 or 100mg because you take by insufflation, discouraged unless available in prepacked vials for a nasal inhaler... they don't like you doing the banknote thing!
Diconal (Wellconal in the Southern hemisphere) is as good orally as nasally but is absolutely deadly when crushed for IV as there are insoluble silicates and other nasties that precipitate at blood heat etc which is why a generation before the temazepam amputees you find thoselucky enough only to lose a limb through Diconal.
However the point of my post is to say that when safely used the finest opioix Rx rushes are from heroin hydrochloride, dextromoramide tartrate and the dipipanone/cyclizine combo for sure. I just mourn the loss of Palfium from everyday Rx. Long may the other two be freely available at all pharmacies here in the UK!
What we need here are the US only hydrocodone bitartrate to fill the huge analgesic gap between dihydrocodeine and morphine, & oxymorphone HCl, of which I have tried only Endo Opana in 25mg dose which equates roughly to the same Palfium dose and would be perfect as rescue medz for those on Oxycontin 80 or 120mg tabs which last only 6-7 hrs.
And may I correct a mizconception repeated twice during the thread; duration of action of these is more than adequate. I find all to be effective for at least 4 hours. Residual analgesia can last an extra two or so.
I have to stock up twice yearly in all three countries so I end up with enough from 3 month scripts of each strength to keep my high dosage going.
Dipipanone is equally as wonderful an analgesic and both are far more effective and enjoyable than the free NHS 500mg vials of heroin hydrochloride which is so much easier to access. Diamorphine is good enough but being a non-injector it is hard to explain to your doctor that you need 500mg rather than 60 or 100mg because you take by insufflation, discouraged unless available in prepacked vials for a nasal inhaler... they don't like you doing the banknote thing!
Diconal (Wellconal in the Southern hemisphere) is as good orally as nasally but is absolutely deadly when crushed for IV as there are insoluble silicates and other nasties that precipitate at blood heat etc which is why a generation before the temazepam amputees you find thoselucky enough only to lose a limb through Diconal.
However the point of my post is to say that when safely used the finest opioix Rx rushes are from heroin hydrochloride, dextromoramide tartrate and the dipipanone/cyclizine combo for sure. I just mourn the loss of Palfium from everyday Rx. Long may the other two be freely available at all pharmacies here in the UK!
What we need here are the US only hydrocodone bitartrate to fill the huge analgesic gap between dihydrocodeine and morphine, & oxymorphone HCl, of which I have tried only Endo Opana in 25mg dose which equates roughly to the same Palfium dose and would be perfect as rescue medz for those on Oxycontin 80 or 120mg tabs which last only 6-7 hrs.
And may I correct a mizconception repeated twice during the thread; duration of action of these is more than adequate. I find all to be effective for at least 4 hours. Residual analgesia can last an extra two or so.
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Czech 'ice' not uncommon in UK
Yes it certainly does depend who you know. I have one friend who receives regular Desoxyn scripts through the USAF pharmacy at Lakenheath courtesy an acquaintance and certainly in Scotland you can find almost pure ice originating in Czech Republic, where most European illicit meth is made.
May I make clear I do not recommend methamfetamine in the least as it is highly dangerous to the CV system and even the worst narcoleptics can be satisfied and well treated using maximum 50-60mg NHS dexamfetamine sulphate tabs (though now distributed in Auden livery tabs are same 'EVANS DB5' as former Dexedrine brand but a lot cheaper!)
Yes it certainly does depend who you know. I have one friend who receives regular Desoxyn scripts through the USAF pharmacy at Lakenheath courtesy an acquaintance and certainly in Scotland you can find almost pure ice originating in Czech Republic, where most European illicit meth is made.
May I make clear I do not recommend methamfetamine in the least as it is highly dangerous to the CV system and even the worst narcoleptics can be satisfied and well treated using maximum 50-60mg NHS dexamfetamine sulphate tabs (though now distributed in Auden livery tabs are same 'EVANS DB5' as former Dexedrine brand but a lot cheaper!)
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namnoc16
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Dust(pcp) is some gritty shit but those reports you hear about are greatly exaggerated.I'm not saying people don't get fucked up and flip out on dust but usually the only person that gets hurt is ones self. I've smoked dust around 12x and all I can tell you is you aren't missing anything. Always made me feel like I was a midget and my whole world seemed to spin off its axis I felt like I the whole plantet was tilted(hard to describe) also heard a steady wha wha wha wha in my head. Wait a minute Tommyboy are you saying meth is a gay drug? That's as stupid as saying AIDS is a gay disease , WTF are you talking about? Are you high right now?
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Raki
Bluelighter
Part of the reason is that in the UK (and Australia and NZ) there is a well established pattern of using home cooked amphetamine so that noone has bothered with importing methamphetamine. In Australia that has changed in the last decade with Ice raging throughout Littoral Southeast Asia. There are also largescale importations of ephedrine and pseudoephedrine so that it is clearly being manufactured (at least) in Australia.
As for PCP, since the late-1970s with a single exception all arrests of cooks have been African American (the lone exception was a Chicano raised in a black neighbourhood. It isnt that difficult to manufacture and contrary to one poster's claim it is rather simple to mask the odour either by faux-licit packaging that presents it as a licit industrial chemical or by adding extraneous masking chemicals that can be reduced upon delivery. There is no extant market in the mentioned nations so that there isnt a great cost:risk:benefit payoff. One could possibly market it to the ketamine market but like LSD it isnt a regular clientele, doing it irregularly.
As for PCP, since the late-1970s with a single exception all arrests of cooks have been African American (the lone exception was a Chicano raised in a black neighbourhood. It isnt that difficult to manufacture and contrary to one poster's claim it is rather simple to mask the odour either by faux-licit packaging that presents it as a licit industrial chemical or by adding extraneous masking chemicals that can be reduced upon delivery. There is no extant market in the mentioned nations so that there isnt a great cost:risk:benefit payoff. One could possibly market it to the ketamine market but like LSD it isnt a regular clientele, doing it irregularly.