Ksa
Ex-Bluelighter
In life all that matters is what you eat and what you fuck, anything else is compromise.
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Drugs instead of spirituality
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swilow
Bluelight Crew
Maybe to you. Lets not forget that there really isn't one single thing that matters to humans in general. For me, the things you mentioned aren't that important. As a human, I have the freedom to impart and derive meaning as I see fit. Sensory pleasure leaves me unsatisfied when it becomes the sole focus.
I would rather read a good book than eat a nice meal.
What about feeling the underlying sense of oneness between all things...of being able to connect with any life form regardless of space and time...the euphoria that only truly comes from having and an awake and open heart...the bliss in perceiving the pristine beauty of nature...and not just on the superficial level...the heightened appreciation of all forms of art and beauty...to be able to look at a person and actually love them...to fall in love with a flower...or a kitten..or a symphony experiencing enhanced creative abilities and other higher-consciousness skills...the deepening of all the most sublime emotions a human being can have...tp have no doubt of your own immortality...being overwhelmed by love in its most profound sense and knowing that it's real...even touching the divine center of creation itself.
Compared to living a mundane life, the one we are conditioned to live, with all the glories of consumerism. The sad thing is most will just happily take the trade-off, although I personally see this as this as a form of insanity.
Compared to living a mundane life, the one we are conditioned to live, with all the glories of consumerism. The sad thing is most will just happily take the trade-off, although I personally see this as this as a form of insanity.
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swilow
Bluelight Crew
^Who is that in response to ninae?
Haven't seen you here as much of late. Are you well?
Haven't seen you here as much of late. Are you well?
Ksa
Ex-Bluelighter
Tu est coincée a Nice? Pauvre toi, la plage et le soleil ca fait chier tout le monde...
Invites moi, j'ai envie d'avoir la vie dure aussi lol
socko
Bluelighter
First, why were you kicked out of a villa? Tell us please.
The things you describe are spirituality. Some people experience this, but others don't. Of those who have a sense of spirituality, some try to explore it and or explain it and attribute meaning :
Books, religion, self improvement, meditation practice, psychedelics, psychology and neuroscience.
The things you describe are spirituality. Some people experience this, but others don't. Of those who have a sense of spirituality, some try to explore it and or explain it and attribute meaning :
Books, religion, self improvement, meditation practice, psychedelics, psychology and neuroscience.
Ksa
Ex-Bluelighter
C'est dur, dur d'etre bebe.
Une bebe, serieux? T'as des parre choque ou quoi? Ben check, je vais faire un tour a Nice l'an prochain, on pourrait se rencontrer peut-etre histoire de coucher...j'veu dire de voir le coucher du soleil
I had a ceizure/concussion when I came off the plane. All I coud remember was police and paramedics around me. But thy didn't do any good job checking up on me. I.e. I was living with quite severe brain damage with all its symptomps amd the beaviours that goes with it for a week.
As you can see my grammer is fucked, and I've always ben a perfect speller, but nothing as bad as it was so it's getting better. I ewill get a scan when I get home. I was lucky I didn'tfare any worse, I could have sleepwalked into the pool or burned the hoise down. Needless to say I couldn't comply to any house rules, so the owner eventually had enough.
I hated having to lav as it was the most paradisical place you can imagine. One of those lovely villas along the south coast. Higly recommended, although the owner is a bit of a hardass.
Now I'm stuck in the concrete jungle along the airport and all the generic city hotels there. No green in sight, quite depressing. All I wanted was a holiday in the sun with green nature.
Although I can go into Nice and take sightseeing tours while I'm here I guess. I'm thinkining of moving here for part of the year, actually, I like it that much.
http://www.villacedria.com/en
Une bebe, serieux? T'as des parre choque ou quoi? Ben check, je vais faire un tour a Nice l'an prochain, on pourrait se rencontrer peut-etre histoire de coucher...j'veu dire de voir le coucher du soleil
Sorry, my 1/3 of French just ran out. Although I think the last part might have been something about wanting to watch the sunset together.
swilow
Bluelight Crew
Just to provide context, ksa seems to be hitting on a few participants in P&S of late. Assuming he is straight, I think he's finally got the right gender with you ninae :D
Jabberwocky
Frumious Bandersnatch
oh man, sorry to hear that Ninae. I'm glad you're keeping a good attitude about the whole thing and hope you're fully recovered soon. Stuff like that sounds kinda scary. Don't let it spoil your trip. Have a good time out there.
And just the right board for it.
Thanks, I will have to wait a bit to recover before I go back.
Nixiam
Bluelighter
^Indeed, quite nice to see you back Miss. Sorry to hear that, though still try and enjoy your vacation.
On the flip side, BL has a SL&R sub forum specifically designed for Ksas everywhere. *cough*
On the flip side, BL has a SL&R sub forum specifically designed for Ksas everywhere. *cough*
swilow
Bluelight Crew
Two themes that have been played out in this thread: 1) Drug use is a way to diminish emotional repsonses to things, to numb oneself. 2) The inherent brokenness of humans, as implied by religions, that we are fallen, shattered, seperated, lost.
I disagree with both in some ways. Drugs can be a great way of numbing oneself; certain drugs, at least. The truly deep drugs often force you to confront your feelings. I cannot imagine taking LSD to forget my worries, though I could take it to confront and understand my worries. Then again, I don't see a great danger in avoiding emotions for a time, as long as you are aware that this only works to a certain extent; emotions have a way of forcing themselves upon you. For me, I had issues in my life and my childhood was quite strange and turbulent, but I didn't really have this urge to numb myself before I took drugs. When I got into drugs, I found that I suddenly did have something that I wanted to emotionally hide from and it was largely my drug use. I still take drugs and I don't believe it is strictly trying to medicate away a problem inside me. I look at drugs to enhance a life I am relatively content with.
I don't think the narrative of inherently flawed humans is either accurate or beneficial. It makes no sense in the creator narrative of most religions that, if we are broken, this fault has been built in by the creator and it is therefore His/Its flaw, not ours. I couldn't blame a painting for its flaws. It makes even less sense under the narrative provided by evolution. There do exist atavisms or less-than-helpful adaptations but, over millenia, these are often subsumed. In the bigger picture, the content of one's character is of little importance to the blind forces of selection on our planet. Good/bad people are a recent invention on earth. Christianity in particular relegates humans to something to be ashamed of. I don't think this helps people at all; it only provides some 'plausible' reason for god to apparently torture his son to death as if that forgives us our inherent weakness (the same weakness the creator must have created). People filled with shame are less likely to stand up to themselves in the face of the epic injustice that the selfsame religions have been perpetrating.
I do accept that religion and spirutuality are different things, but I feel like some of the content in this topic has been religious.
I also don't see why it matters if drug users are not spiritual. If anything, given the propensity for delusion and flights-of-fancy to eb induced by drugs, its heartwarming to see that people are maintaining a certain rationality when asssesing their sober lives. I've seen small, subatomic machines creating reality in front of me but I have to be both sceptical and discerning in how I allow this to impact my daily life. These machines are probably worthy of being worshipped but I cannot convince myself of their reality if it takes DMT to show me them.
I disagree with both in some ways. Drugs can be a great way of numbing oneself; certain drugs, at least. The truly deep drugs often force you to confront your feelings. I cannot imagine taking LSD to forget my worries, though I could take it to confront and understand my worries. Then again, I don't see a great danger in avoiding emotions for a time, as long as you are aware that this only works to a certain extent; emotions have a way of forcing themselves upon you. For me, I had issues in my life and my childhood was quite strange and turbulent, but I didn't really have this urge to numb myself before I took drugs. When I got into drugs, I found that I suddenly did have something that I wanted to emotionally hide from and it was largely my drug use. I still take drugs and I don't believe it is strictly trying to medicate away a problem inside me. I look at drugs to enhance a life I am relatively content with.
I don't think the narrative of inherently flawed humans is either accurate or beneficial. It makes no sense in the creator narrative of most religions that, if we are broken, this fault has been built in by the creator and it is therefore His/Its flaw, not ours. I couldn't blame a painting for its flaws. It makes even less sense under the narrative provided by evolution. There do exist atavisms or less-than-helpful adaptations but, over millenia, these are often subsumed. In the bigger picture, the content of one's character is of little importance to the blind forces of selection on our planet. Good/bad people are a recent invention on earth. Christianity in particular relegates humans to something to be ashamed of. I don't think this helps people at all; it only provides some 'plausible' reason for god to apparently torture his son to death as if that forgives us our inherent weakness (the same weakness the creator must have created). People filled with shame are less likely to stand up to themselves in the face of the epic injustice that the selfsame religions have been perpetrating.
I do accept that religion and spirutuality are different things, but I feel like some of the content in this topic has been religious.
I also don't see why it matters if drug users are not spiritual. If anything, given the propensity for delusion and flights-of-fancy to eb induced by drugs, its heartwarming to see that people are maintaining a certain rationality when asssesing their sober lives. I've seen small, subatomic machines creating reality in front of me but I have to be both sceptical and discerning in how I allow this to impact my daily life. These machines are probably worthy of being worshipped but I cannot convince myself of their reality if it takes DMT to show me them.
socko
Bluelighter
Ninae, I recommend some long, healing walks on the beaches in and around Nice. Enjoy your time down there.
socko
Bluelighter
Rent a car if you need to. There is lots to see.