• 🇬🇧󠁿 🇸🇪 🇿🇦 🇮🇪 🇬🇭 🇩🇪 🇪🇺
    European & African
    Drug Discussion

    Welcome Guest!
    Posting Rules Bluelight Rules
  • EADD Moderators: Pissed_and_messed | Shinji Ikari

Drug Sabbatical Support & Appreciation Thread Mk. III: New Beginnings

I have checked out a pentedrone shop just now cos curious. 15 bucks for a gram! You could get three grams of fine dex-amphetamine for that, delivered, within roughly the same number of mouseclicks. Why take the unknown cardiovascular risks of such an ill-researched strong stimulant, can you explain its draw?
 
lurching said:
I have checked out a pentedrone shop just now cos curious. 15 bucks for a gram! You could get three grams of fine dex-amphetamine for that, delivered, within roughly the same number of mouseclicks. Why take the unknown cardiovascular risks of such an ill-researched strong stimulant, can you explain its draw?
Click to expand...

Uknown risks compared to the known risks of amphetamine you mean? Pent feels relatively gentle on the heart, unlike EPH which im sure is a ticking time bomb that could go off at any point. The draw is the ease and convenience of ordering, plus the well known effects of cathinones. The mood lift, the intense focus, the music, and yeah the hornyness. Plus i find it delivers all this without the rough aftermath of amphetamines. I think my tolerance to stims atm is quite low, so am quite happy with a relatively tame one like pent for the moment, i havent boshed the fuck out of it and blown out whatever receptors it hits, so that is also part of the draw.

Dan, I'll be checking out the Darknet again soonish now that i have money to spend without worrying about it. Atm work is taking priority over trying to obtain stronger, or arguably better drugs though. Did you get round to trying Pent? Did you rate it?

Sam, Im really envious of those Europeans that work 30 hours a week or something. Why do we really need to put in so many hours every week with so little time off work? Im quite sure its not really necessary. Im sure everyone would be happier and more productive if they worked less hours. Thankfully at least we live in an era where 28 days annual leave is standard, that seems a bit paltry, but as im sure you know workers in Britain only used to get one week off in the whole year. Fuckin incredible that they had to work so much to live, or to get by.
 
mydrugbuddy said:
Uknown risks compared to the known risks of amphetamine you mean?
Click to expand...

Indeed, with ampethamine you know you'll be fine if you keep your usage reasonable because a large body of medical research has shown so, but there is no such guarantee with pentedrone. Considering the toxicity profiles of related cathinones I'm wary myself.
 
Really? I thought it was known fact that cocaine is extremely bad for the heart, and presumed that the same would apply to all stimulants. Anything that raises heart bpm by 25%-50% or more for prolonged periods of time cannot be good for the ticker. Obviously the more often and the more heavily you caine any substance the more harm its gonna do. I believe in 'listening to your body'. It tells me that Pentedrone isnt too bad.
 
mydrugbuddy said:
Really? I thought it was known fact that cocaine is extremely bad for the heart, and presumed that the same would apply to all stimulants.
Click to expand...

Watertight reasoning there :D

Anything that raises heart bpm by 25%-50% or more for prolonged periods of time cannot be good for the ticker.
Click to expand...

You'd be surprised how healthy it can be to raise your heart rate for prolonged periods-- exercise is one way.

I believe in 'listening to your body'. It tells me that Pentedrone isnt too bad.
Click to expand...

OK. But you are still taking benzos all day long & they could influence the listening-to-your-body part as well, or am I wrong?
 
Last edited:
lurching said:
Watertight reasoning there :D
Click to expand...

haha, ok it may not stand the rigours of scientific objectivty, but it just seems to be a 'common sense' type of assumtion to me. I am open to being proved wrong.

lurching said:
You'd be surprised how healthy it is to raise your heart rate for prolonged periods-- exercise is one way.
Click to expand...

I would be surprised indeed. As im sure you know when exercising and raising your heart rate that is actually strengthening your heart and the heart muscle itself becomes physically bigger and stonger over time as a result. It is working harder to pump blood round your body as nature intended. Artificially raising your heart rate to crazy levels by ingesting a substance must surely be an entirely different matter. I doubt that strengthens your heart, it probably causes heart disease and has caused many a heart attack. I wish i was a medical student right now with a reem of facts and figures to reel off, but sadly i dont.

lurching said:
OK. But you are still taking benzos all day long & they could influence the listening-to-your-body part as well, or am I wrong?
Click to expand...
They do indeed. If i become concerened about my heart rate to the point of worrying whether i might have a heart attack i take some benzos which slow my heart rate back down again. Christ i wish i was 19 again, when i felt invincible, like nothing bad could ever happen to me.
 
mydrugbuddy said:
Cheers Evey. European vendors do so it seems. Much like some French village shops that close everyday for several hours around lunchtime. The customer does not come first.

I've not seen my K/Ws etc since i started work, they'll probably close the books on me soon unless i book in. I think I'll be OK as i am currently with my etiz, but will probably need some help with getting off that. There is a support group in the area specifically for people coming off benzos, which I'll get round to attending at some point, if only to see whether it might be usefull or not. I dont really want to quit benzos atm, but i have a family member that lives overseas that is very ill, i will need to make an appearance or i'll have a hard time forgiving myself, but i cant get through customs with my current unsubscribed benzos.
Click to expand...

Why do they close for hours in the day? That's wrong somehow... We Brits treat our customers right.... ahhhh f em... Go with someone else... And when they come back and have hardly any customers will be their own hard luck. You can't be treating people like that...

Sorry to hear that your relative is ill....

Evey
 
mydrugbuddy said:
They have a siesta. And then they party on late into the night. If you're in a little village there is nowhere else as they have the monoply. If there were competing businesses they might reconsider their lunch time closures.
Click to expand...
When i lived in Germany during the 1980's i remember being surprised that when we went shopping in Monchengladbach all the shops would close at around 1-2pm and not open again until Monday morning. Seemed so wrong after being used to Saturday afternoons being the time most of us would go clothes,music shopping etc. Don't know if they still do that but does seem strange to shut up shop early on a Saturday
 
Will probably regret saying this in the morning but I think I'm going to have a weekend off drugs to prove I still can (and I probably can't... but anyway). Basically because I'm not blind to the fact that I've been taking way more than I ever have before with no more than a days break between and if I keep going like this then I'm going to end up doing the one thing I've come very close to recently but am still trying not to do. As much as I don't really care about my health/whatever I want to have a little while longer of actually enjoying drugs before I become a full blown addict. If it isn't already too late.

Hugs and booze much appreciated please <3
 
Tomorrow I'm trying AGAIN to go down to 4mg. I feel like a failure that I went back to 8mg. Means I failed n am a kaughing stock. So I'll try again. I HAVE to try again.

mydrugbuddy said:
Welsh villages can be just as bad? The one i grew up had shops that closed for lunch. So fucking lazy. At one point there was only 2 shops, until some enterprisng "outsiders" moved in and opened a shop that was open all day from 7am till 10pm.
Click to expand...

LoL that we are , that we are!

SummerSerenade said:
Will probably regret saying this in the morning but I think I'm going to have a weekend off drugs to prove I still can (and I probably can't... but anyway). Basically because I'm not blind to the fact that I've been taking way more than I ever have before with no more than a days break between and if I keep going like this then I'm going to end up doing the one thing I've come very close to recently but am still trying not to do. As much as I don't really care about my health/whatever I want to have a little while longer of actually enjoying drugs before I become a full blown addict. If it isn't already too late.

Hugs and booze much appreciated please <3
Click to expand...

You CAN. You just need to believe in yourself.

Evey
 
Since being on bupe I can completely forget blocks of stuff it's weird. No word of a lie I E-mailed some bloke my number once n had completely no recollection of having done so until the person showed me proof that I had done. I was absolutely shocked. Yes it messes up your memory good time sub does.

Evey
 
Eveleivibe said:
Tomorrow I'm trying AGAIN to go down to 4mg. I feel like a failure that I went back to 8mg. Means I failed n am a kaughing stock. So I'll try again. I HAVE to try again.
Click to expand...

That doesnt make you a laughing stock atall, as i said at the time it was a bold move. If you'd have stuck to it for 7-10 days or so you would have adjusted to it. It would have got rid of 4 slightly uncomfortable steps all in go, and replaced it with one bigger slightly more uncomfortable step instead. It is easier whilst your dose is still relatively high. You have already reduced from 12mg to 8mg with no problems? So thats a great start.

As Mr. Scagnattie said "there is no right or wrong way to do a bupe taper" 'you just do what works for you'. Eventually i found what worked for me towards the end of the taper, which was a week or 2 of 'resting up' and mainatining a stable dose until i felt fully physically and mentally recharged for the next step. Allthough i took ages over my taper, and far longer than most people would have done, and had several relapses at the end of it, i did rush certain reductions when i wasnt quite ready for them. I think i was at the extreme end of the scale in making a huge big drawn out ordeal of the whole thing, and then at the other end of the scale you have people like Omen Owen who dropped from 24mg to nothing.

I also find that it helps to be occupied, if you dont have any distractions its all to easy to get bogged down by the slightly unwell uncomfortable feeling. I found that doing things like attending my counselling course completely took my mind off things. And now that im working im too busy during the day and i barely notice kratom w/ds, which are very mild anyway. I hesitate to recommend you take other substances to help with your bupe taper out of concern that you might just replace one addiction for another. Herbal things like Valerian Root (the pure natural unprocessed stuff, not processed pill extracts or anything like that) can help with w/ds and sleep, even if its partly just a placebo effect, and pretty sure that VR is not addictive. Flu drinks help too, and start stocking up on Loperamide, you will need that once the bupe finally leaves your body for good.

I really feel in the mood for a stim session right now, havent had one for 6 weeks or something, but 1. i havent got anything in and 2. i have work tomorrow. I will have to postpone it until my next day off. Dont think I'll order 5 grams this time :sus:, that was just being silly, one should be enough.
 
Last edited:
Thank MDB. That was a very kind n thoughtful response. Not a judgemental one like some other members of the forum who like to belittle me n say "that's judge addiction for you" n then lecture me on how I spend my money.

Thank you for being thoughtful, respectful, caring n non-judgementsl. You're a good friend, MDB, just the sort of calming influence I need right now. THANK YOU!

Evey
 
No worries, without wanting to sound too cheesy i feel that i have, and want to, give something back to people using threads like this, to the people going through the same things i have experienced at least, after all I hogged the the opi w/d support thread for months for help/support/encouragement and advice with my own taper.

Btw if you do get some Valerian Root, which seriously is worth it imo, save it until you are off subs completely, im not entirely sure but i think bupes' blockading action might stop everything else from working until you are completely off them, including Loperamide. If im wrong in this assumption im happy to be corrected. Just that i didnt use VR and Lope until i had completely stopped bupe, and they did help a lot, at that point.

When i do my etiz taper i may not go on about it endlessly in EADD, i can see that doing peoples heads in and them running out of patience with me. And the more robust and even sometimes blunt harsh truths type of opinions you can get on EADD, even if it's well intended advice may not be so easy to take whilst reducing benzos, So i may inflict all my moaning and groaning about that on another section of BL, or another forum entirely.

Edit: and now it seems you wont be able to reply for a month. :(8(
 
Last edited:
Think I need a sabbatical. Fed up with everything in my life evolving around drugs rather than drugs enhancing my life. Finding it hard to even think of a social activity with friends which dont involve some sort of substance. Need to get back into keeping fit, seeing family and getting out into nature more often, it seems to really ground me.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Top