Drug Officials Note Cocaine Shortage

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yiggy said:
columbians just supply the leaves and shit these days....mexicans control everything from production to smuggling to distribution.

not saying there isnt a columbian cartel but they lost influence when mexicans seized power slowly as the major cartels(columbian)kept falling...the explosion of meth didnt hurt either.
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That is incorrect. The mexicans are at the whim of the columbians, the mexicans are there to transit the columbians product into the states, whether it's coke or heron. Yes, the mexican organizations have power, but they NEED columbia, columbia doesn't need them (hell, western africa is already starting to become a helluva transhipment point).
 
Smuggling into Africa, then smuggling in the mail to the UK is very popular right now with Nigerian organized crime groups.
 
lurkerguy said:
You people who think you can get $50 pounds of weed, or $700 kilos of cocaine anywhere in the world have no idea what the fuck your talking about.
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lurkerguy said:
Smuggling into Africa, then smuggling in the mail to the UK is very popular right now with Nigerian organized crime groups.
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nigerian organized crime groups are just 1 of multiple attributes that are looking to prime western africa to become the next major narco empire.
- they are so damn poor that bribery there is a joke
- there is so much land that you can pull planes in anywhere with safety (not that there's much need to, seems people are just flying loads in on regular airstrips there anyways)
- law enforcement is so sparse, and jails practically non-existant in most areas, makes a for general free for all when it comes to any trafficking activities.

And I should add that it's not just nigerian organized crime groups doing this, it's all the usual suspects.
 
dude come to atlanta i can get a single pound of mid-grade mexican schwagg for $500-$1000 an LB ALL DAY and that is for ONE.

how the fuck am i managing to find a single pound for as low as $500 HERE IN THE USA if its costing at the least, $350 for a single in mexico.

while the mexicans may be at the whim of the columbians it goes the other way too....they sell all their shit.

as i said there isnt many columbian distribution channels these days. its not like u can just fly to LA and unload it....
 
its harder to get rid of 100 kilos than you think if you do not know some good mexicans
 
I just saw a special called "White Lobster" on television about lobster fisherman in Costa Rica.

When the smuggler boats are being chased by customs they will through the kilos of coke over boards, and lobster fisherman in Costa Rico will find them floating the water.

They call it the "White Lobster" and the cartels will buy the kilos back from them for over $5,000+.

They have a well know open reward to all lobster fisherman of $5,000 per kilo that is recovered and returned to the cartels.

Of course many will sell it themselves in ounces and even in Costa RIco they can make $20,000+ per kilo selling to street dealers in SA.
 
yiggy said:
how the fuck am i managing to find a single pound for as low as $500 HERE IN THE USA if its costing at the least, $350 for a single in mexico.
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Because the smuggler bought 500+ pounds at $175 a piece, and sells them to you for $500 a piece, making a nice profit.

Also, I bet you $1000 the schwag your getting is very low quality for $500.

It is pure schwag not mids.
 
im just curious who these fisherman know AND trust to return a kilo to....its not like the cartels got a return depo at the docks LOL
 
lurkerguy said:
Because the smuggler bought 500+ pounds at $175 a piece, and sells them to you for $500 a piece, making a nice profit.

Also, I bet you $1000 the schwag your getting is very low quality for $500.
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it is, but as i said, there was very decent shit i smoked myself for $700.

but for the guy buying 500lbs its all the same shit...hell my dude who picks up less than 20 doesnt give a shit if its brown, black or glowing neon green...he just adjusts the price accordingly.
 
Believe it or not yes, after a boat raid and they dump everything overboard they will go to the local coast where it washed up and offer a reward for the cocaine.

Many will sell it right back for $5,000 to avoid any hassle, other will sell it themselves to their own connects.

It isn't like Pablo King Pin Jones is gong asking for his kilos back, they send a grunt into town to ask if anyone found some washed kilos.

I don't know if you ever been to Costa RIco, but they have some extremely small fishing villages, I mean like 150 residents tops.

Ain't hard to find out if a few people found 500+ kilos washed up on shore.

This show had actual video of literally 1000s of pounds of cocaine washing up on shore, and many of these fisherman have no connects so they will actually seek out cartel representatives themselves to get rid of the kilos and get what amounts to a fucking fortune to them.
 
lurkerguy said:
Yes and enough coca leafs to produce a kilo of pure blow alone cost $2,000+

That is bare minimum.
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http://www.unodc.org/pdf/research/wdr07/WDR_2007_3.1.3_colombia.pdf
Average wholesale kilo of cocaine hcl in Colombia - ~$1750

http://www.unodc.org/pdf/research/wdr07/WDR_2007_3.1.6_peru.pdf
Average wholesale kilo of cocaine hcl in Peru - ~$900

http://www.unodc.org/pdf/WDR_2005/volume_1_chap1_coca.pdf
The sustained high price for coca leaf was the likely
motivation for the farmers in Peru and Bolivia to
increase coca cultivation in 2004. In Peru, the price has
remained above US$ 2/kg since 2000, compared to
prices below US$ 1/kg in 1996/1997. Prices in Bolivia
are even higher at about US$ 5/kg, creating an incen-
tive for smuggling Peruvian coca leaf into Bolivia. Boli-
vian authorities seized 27 metric tons of Peruvian coca
leaves, out of a total of 155 metric tons.

Contrary to Bolivia and Peru, the market for coca leaf is
not developed in Colombia because most farmers
process the coca leaves into coca base. However, for the
remainder who sold leaf, prices were much lower than
in Peru and Bolivia, ranging between US$ 0.4/kg and
US$ 1.8/kg. In 2004, the average price for one kg of
coca base was about US$807. Although production
decreased in Colombia in 2004, coca leaf prices did not
increase. Compared to 2003, the prices even decreased
in Colombian pesos. One possible explanation of this,
still to be confirmed, is that the reduction of coca leaf
production in Colombia was offset by imports of coca
paste/base.
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http://www.unodc.org/pdf/WDR_2005/volume_2_chap5_Cocaine.pdf
In 2004, the average price for one kg of coca paste amounted COP 2,121,000 (US$807). Compared to 2003, the prices decreased in Colombian pesos, but because of the depreciation of the US$, increased in US$ terms. Using the average price for coca paste of US$ 80/kg in 2004 and assuming a 1:1 conversion rate between coca paste and cocaine, the total farm-gate value of the 390 metric tons of coca paste produced in Colombia in 2004 would amount to about US$315 millions.
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Cartels buy in shipments of 100 kilos and up at the minimum. When you're buying in bulk you get it dirt cheap. These people are moving hundreds of tons of cocaine into the states and Europe every year.
 
yiggy said:
dude come to atlanta i can get a single pound of mid-grade mexican schwagg for $500-$1000 an LB ALL DAY and that is for ONE.

how the fuck am i managing to find a single pound for as low as $500 HERE IN THE USA if its costing at the least, $350 for a single in mexico.
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He wasn't talking about the trashiest weed in the world, I think he meant decent quality mexican outdoors. And $500 a pound for the trashiest schwagg still sounds low, but I don't know much about schwag, so can't really comment further on that.


yiggy said:
its harder to get rid of 100 kilos than you think if you do not know some good mexicans
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And you would know that how? My BS meter is screaming at you so loudly right now. If you really knew that kind of thing, you probably wouldn't know all the stuff you're claiming about low quantity, crap quality schwag. I don't think too many people have their hands in 100 kilo loads AND pounds of schwag. They're worlds apart. That leads me to believe you're just pulling this out of your ass dude.
 
Those figures are flat out made up.

If you believe those figures I have a bridge in Brooklyn for you.

Considering these are the same agencies that manage to find less than 2% of all cocaine in the world, I don't know how anyone could take them seriously.

And also, $2 a kilo, it takes 1000 kilos to make a kilo of cocaine so that is $2,000 my exact quote for the minimum price for enough coca leafs to make a kilo LOL.

So how hysterical it is that it costs $2,000 for 1000 kilos of coca leaf, then much more to process it into a kilo, then they are going to sell it for $1750?

Riiiight.

Something tells me your average UN researcher never smuggled any drugs, I could be wrong though.

As others have mentioned, many credible big time drug smugglers including George Jung have verified that a kilo of pure cocaine is minimum $10,000 in SA.

If you are huge cartel you might be able to process a key for $3000, even that is far fetched, but no way will a smuggler looking to buy a kilo all ready processed will get any price less than $10,000+.

You are confusing manufactures expenses with the price on the street all ready processed for a smuggler.
 
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Thanks for the info nuke!

In all honesty this is pointless, sitting around here debating figures of quantities that it's unlikely few, if any, people on these boards have ever been around.

However, Nuke's post is a beautiful example of why our current approach to the drug war is, without a doubt, incapable of solving their perceived problem. When you can buy something piss cheap, sneak it across a border, and make such insanely ridiculous amounts of money, how on earth does the DEA think they can stop that?
 
Well consider every prison in the entire world has at least an ounce of cocaine circulating at any one time, how in the fuck can we stop drugs in the real world, if we can't even keep drugs out of prison.
 
lurkerguy said:
but no way will a smuggler looking to buy a kilo all ready processed will get any price less than $10,000+.
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Like I just said, figures aside, the bottom line is that, regardless of whose figures you wanna go for, the main point is that you can take a relatively small investment, go to SA or CA with it, pick something up, take a risk by getting it back to the country, step on it like crazy, sell cut up kilos, and make 1,000% returns on your investments. This is why the current approach to prohibition is just a laugh, and puff piece for people who are too ignorant to understand the reason why there isn't a snowball's chance in hell that our current approaches to eradication will do anything to affect the average city's prices, availability, and quality.
 
Yep I all ready said in previous posts I agree.

In PA, NYC, or any NE city you can get rid of a kilo for $30,000.

So you figure they give the kilo a 50% cut with lidocaine, and make $60,000.

That is a $50,000 profit.

Multiply that by 20 kilos, and you can go back to SA and start your own fucking soccer team and buy a mansion LOL.

Not to mention, they will slip the 20 kilos in some retards suitcase, and not even take the risk themselves.
 
lurkerguy said:
Those figures are flat out made up.

If you believe those figures I have a bridge in Brooklyn for you.

Considering these are the same agencies that manage to find less than 2% of all cocaine in the world, I don't know how anyone could take them seriously.

And also, $2 a kilo, it takes 1000 kilos to make a kilo of cocaine so that is $2,000 my exact quote for the minimum price for enough coca leafs to make a kilo LOL.

So how hysterical it is that it costs $2,000 for 1000 kilos of coca leaf, then much more to process it into a kilo, then they are going to sell it for $1750?

Riiiight.

Something tells me your average UN researcher never smuggled any drugs, I could be wrong though.

As others have mentioned, many credible big time drug smugglers including George Jung have verified that a kilo of pure cocaine is minimum $10,000 in SA.

If you are huge cartel you might be able to process a key for $3000, even that is far fetched, but no way will a smuggler looking to buy a kilo all ready processed will get any price less than $10,000+.
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http://leda.lycaeum.org/?ID=16618

There's on average 6 grams of cocaine freebase per kilogram of leaf -- that's about 167 kilograms of leaf per kilogram of cocaine freebase. Let's say their extraction method is inefficient and they only get half the amount of cocaine per leaf -- that's maybe 350 kilograms of leaf per kilogram of freebase. Now, convert this to the hydrochloride, and 11% of the cocaine is now hydrochloric acid, leaving you with about 1.12 kilograms of cocaine hydrochloride. That means you get a bonus kilogram of cocaine HCl for every 10 kilograms of cocaine freebase you process.

So, it takes about $200-1000 of cocaine leaf per kilogram of cocaine HCl, depending on where you get it. They're not full of shit.
 
You can't give an "Average", every strain and every Coca plant will have a diff average depending on genetics, growing conditions, health of the plant at harvest etc.

That is like saying the average Cannabis plant has an "average" of 20% THC.

It just doesn't work, one plant could have 1%, another could have 20%, depending on genetics and growing conditions.

And also, say even very best case scenario, seamless operation after $1000 of coca leaf (best case), and $500 for chemicals purchased discreetly for processing (VERY best case), that is $1500 for a kilo.

Now some gringo comes and wants to buy a kilo.

You know he can take a 12 hour trip and sell your kilo for $60,000 after stepping on it.

What do you sell it for?

$1.750?

LOL!
 
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