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Best strategy for Friday's club night for minimal serotonin damage and maximal fun

Hitting the club on Friday. Top quality MDMA pills which are super clean will be on the menu.

Last outing was about 3 weeks ago, ended up doing 450mg of top quality ecstasy. It was a bit nuts, 150mg, 100mg, 100mg then a further 100mg. Pure abuse, felt mellowed out for 3 days (dopamine), no real comedown as it's extremely clean well manufactured MDMA.

This time I don't want to be in bliss land for days as I can't get anything done in life. So I'm hoping to do a solid 150mg single dose. My problem is I have had my MDMA run out in the club before and it's pretty crap. Like a balloon deflating at rapid speed. Fortunately, the pills on offer are hard-pressed and take around 90minutes to peak. Duration is my main concern. At most I'll get 2hours out of 1 dose, maybe less. I've got some antacid tabs, but having used them, they seem to give me about 10 more minutes or so of duration. I am also drinking ph7.0 water which will neutralise acid in my stomach, but it didn't seem to make much difference last time. I tried piracetam and it didn't do anything for duration (or bringing back the magic) but it did give a clearer high where I could remember more.


So do I :

- drop 150mg late in the night and just be done with it
- drop 150mg, then drop 100mg 1 hour later
- go for full on danger and drop 200mg as a single dose (I regular use every 4-7 weeks)

As a side note, I find when my MDMA runs out, I hit a couple of beers and they have NO effect on me (presumably from the amphet running about in my system). Once I hit my 3rd beer though, I suddenly become utterly fucked and in no shape to do anything. Any tips for what to do in the club once your buzz runs out? Or for the after party? It's gotten so bad now, I have no alcohol and don't even smoke a joint post MDMA cos it fucks me. Instead I have a coffee so I can chat to people.
 
4 doses in one night is way too much, you should know better than that man! The more you spread out your doses, the more damage they will do.. and when you are dosing a half gram in a in a night, your naive to think it is doing no damage. Also, 3 weeks from that kind of abuse is not a long enough time between doses as well. If one dose is lasting you 2 hours, you need to take a break. Plain and simple.


now that I got that little disclaimer out of the way.. what exactly are you asking? Whether you should redose or not? That is entirely up to you. Obviously not taking a second dose is what will lead to "minimal serotonin damage".
 
Greetings everyone,
I had a check through the MEGA MDMA Dosage thread, but no-one seemed to answer this specific question, so I thought I post a thread. Basically, I was having a discussion with a fellow roller of mine a few days ago, and we started debating over dropping a big dose at once vs. the half & half later approach.

I'm struggling to decide which one lends to the better experience. After my last experience with MDMA, I have decided I'm not a fan of this re-dosing bollocks anymore, as I find I usually suffer more for a few days afterwards if I choose to redose. Therefore, would you say its better to drop 1/2 to 3/4 of a 'PartyFlock'/'Nintendo' for example and leave it at that, rather than the 1/2 a pill now and 1/2 an hour later? Problem is though, do you suffer from a shorter experience if you only drop once, or is the duration the same regardless of redosing?

Thanks

SR
 
Tolerance dictates that the first dose will ALWAYS be the most effective. Studies have also shown that the more redoses you take, the more damage is increased.

Obviously, from that, we can assume that one higher dose will likely get you the most bang for your buck as well as being safer.
 
I've always preferred a proper dose at once. In terms of feeling bad afterwards I agree that this is worse when redosing. Some friends of mine however prefer redosing with smaller amounts as they feel the come-up is smoother.
 
Folley said:
Studies have also shown that the more redoses you take, the more damage is increased.
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This.

But if you do redose; I have heard it best to take 1/2 of the original dose, not half and half. Example: 200 + 100mg, instead of 150 + 150mg.
 
Just can't decide between 150mg only, 150mg+100mg redose. Or do 200mg 1 dose.

MDMA has always ran out after about 2 hours for me. Usually it's 90mins. I am determined to do max.2 doses, it's just brain damage otherwise. My only strat is to drop midnight and peak 1.30am. These pills have been smartly engineered or rather hard pressed so you could prob do 300mg and it releases so slowly you won't get too much MDMA all at once. Hence I am tempted to drop 200mg and forget redosing.
 
I lean towards taking it all at once. Maybe adding weed, 2c-b, or something else near the end if you want the effects to continue for longer.
 
I always recommend taking as much as you are comfortable with at once, and this produces a very enjoyable experience, however being an avid raver and often wanting to be high for up to 6 hours or so, I will often redose as well, and I found refusing once before you come down completely still has a very enjoyable effect, however any more will do nothing but uncomfortable physical stimulation
 
This might sound strange, but after some experience I have come to find out that the second dose is the most effective one for me (taken up to 1.5hrs after the first one that is). Very strange, but I guess MDMA does work differently for everyone. It isn't until my second dose that I really start feeling it, no matter how large my first dose is. Which is why I redose the same amount as my first dose these days.
 
Suploris, this is maybe because your body metabolizes MDMA slower than others - your peak drug effect may be delayed due to other use of psychotropics/meds, outside conditions, diet...beware when redosing. Always stick to robust but conservative dose: 1.5mg/kg (if youre not naive). So the math works (as example): 146 pounds/2.2 (kg) = 66.36 * 1.5 = .99 grams. If you need any help, PM me.
 
I would definitely recommend taking one dose and being done. Most of the horror stories are about people that re-dose or take to much at once. Been searching stories for the past few days and that's really all I could find. I also re-dosed 4 times throughout 4 days and it's been almost a week and I'm having major trouble sleeping, staying asleep, relaxing, and enjoying anything.

It's your choice though. I would just say take one dose and reduce the risk if a bad come down. Wait one month+, repeat. You can always take other drugs with similar effects to Mdma.
 
dunkaroo said:
Suploris, this is maybe because your body metabolizes MDMA slower than others - your peak drug effect may be delayed due to other use of psychotropics/meds, outside conditions, diet...beware when redosing. Always stick to robust but conservative dose: 1.5mg/kg (if youre not naive). So the math works (as example): 146 pounds/2.2 (kg) = 66.36 * 1.5 = .99 grams. If you need any help, PM me.
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Hi dunkaroo, thanks for the advice, that would actually make a lot of sense. These stories of people puking during the come-up, the rollercoaster-feeling, the weird uneasy come-up feeling, all sound alien to me. With me the come-up is very slow. I like to think that I have a good diet/exercise regime and I don't take any meds. What could be the cause? Genetics?
 
As a side note, against my better judgement, I dropped half a Nintendo last night with some close friends to celebrate my last night of University. Whilst the experience was not particularly intense due to my previous heavy experience 2 weeks prior (Only time breaking the one month rule), I am happy to report that I feel as fresh as a daisy, with no lingering depression or brain-zaps to report. Obviously, considering my rather heavy month, I shall be leaving at least 2 months before any further use of any drugs. I just hope my less intense experience was not a sign of me losing the magic :(
 
Nah you'll regain full magic soon enough :) and, if you start worrying about 'losing then magic', then eventually you will. Don't think about it too much!
 
Right. If the pills are too hard pressed for you, chew on them or crush them up and put them in a capsule. That's that problem solved! Now, if you want maximum duration and minimal damage I would go for dropping 100mg starter dose and another 80mg or so up to one hour after your first dose. That way you haven't built a tolerance yet and the redose will still have a really good effect.
 
0.5g in one night is way too much from a harm reduction perspective, and so is speading out the doses. Every time you re-dose, the drug cycle starts over again and that will affect your brain.

You can't have your cake and eat it too. You can't do large amounts of MDMA and then ask how to only have minimal damage to your serotonin system. It doesn't work that way. If you are genuinely concerned then MDMA has to be a rare treat, once a month max as a single dose. If you are already showing signs of serotonin damage like long-lasting downers and depression, low energy, etc. then you need to do it even less often than once a month.

I personally don't find that MDMA and alcohol mix well. I've heard that it can help once the roll is over, to help a person calm down, but not in all cases. There is also the threat of increased dehydration if you do MDMA/alcohol together.
 
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