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Tryptamines [DPT Subthread] DPT Dosage & Methods of Administration

I've seen varied reports on comparative amounts for nasal and IM ROA. I'm looking for a totally immersive IM experience. I tried 100mg insuffulated and was ready for more. I'm thinking of doing 75mg IM tomorrow night. If you're experienced with both ROA, how much would you consider 75mg IM compared to Insuffulated?
 
^Thing with insufflation; if you end up snorting too deep, to the extent that you get a drip from it, a fair bit ends up in the gut and destroyed. I think, with DPT, that you sort of need to "store" it in your nasal cavity as opposed to hoovering it. :)
 
^ That's a very good point, I hadn't actually thought of that. Might easily be the reason why insufflated dosages are so all over the place for different people, and why I needed so much of it - I usually experienced a pretty nasty drip with DPT and probably ended up wasting a lot of the substance. Didn't think to snort it more "carefully" - instead "hoovered it" as you so eloquently put it, like I'm used to doing it with speed, as for the latter, it doesn't make much of a difference (in terms of wasting the substance anyway) how big of a drip you have.
 
I also agree with this and was just thinking the same thing yesterday. The drip I had was so bad that my throat hurt the next day. There is no telling how much of the DPT ended up down my throat and into my stomach, therefore useless.
 
^Well, oral dosing can be done, but its wasteful I guess....I find DPT to have a really horrible anaesthetic quality- when I've damn hoovered it (before I thought a bit more about it) I would get a numb throat, and really "rattly" feeling lungs- and yep, a sore throat.....It would be good subligually, but tastes pretty fucking vile; though after eating 4-Ho-DiPT, I don't think many chemicals could taste as strange...I have found, that if I snort heaps, I would be blasted away t+15mins to 1.5 hours or so, and then have residual trippiness for the next few hours- largely, I think, because some of it entered the stomach and then the brain.
 
So wait- my insufflation is not achieving maximum chemical absorption? By which RoA can I ensure a full blast off??
 
I'm excited to say soon I will be expecting some DPT . HCl

Planning on using it either IM or SC which doesn't differ that much of course.
I've never injected anything before in my life and the reasons I want to with DPT
are: the doses required are significantly lower making it quite cheap actually,
there is no smoke to bother me or a chance of (partial) pyrolysis, and I guess the
duration is probably more manageable.

Have 3 questions though:
- How bad of an idea is it to IM or SC a substance like this regarding risks of impurities
and risks of messing your body up otherwise?
- Is it better to IM or SC this stuff? What would be the difference in result?
- Can you prepare a stock injection solution? Like buying a vial with a rubber top and
making a sterile soln... because my scale is quite good but +/- 0.005g
 
As for impurities, I dont know your source, but Im guessing its from some sloppy chinese chemist. Ive seen two different batches of DPT, one that was off white crystalline with little odour and recently one that was quite brown which had a foul smell. I certainly wouldnt be injecting the latter. (well, I wouldnt be injecting anything, but thats somewhat irrelevant). If you really trust your source and know its legit I guess its not a problem, but I think the risk of impurities is quite high with something like this considering the main sources for it.

Why not just snort it? I found this to be a very effective roa. It took 65 mg nasally to have an ego death experience.

This substance is marvelous btw <3
 
hmm 65 mg well that's not all that high I guess :)
I expect I'll be pretty sensitive to this stuff since I am to every tryptamine I've tried yet
(5-MeO-D/MiPT, N,N-DMT and mushrooms) so I'll take your advice well unless I'm
receiving snowwhite(r) sparkling odorless deepsters :D
Fat chance in baking-hot hell considering the heatwave like circumstances during which
it'l be shipped!
No really, talking about injecting I wanna do it 110% right or not at all, especially with stuff
like this.

I hope I'll find it to be marvelous as well :) but TBH I'm a bit scared since there are multiple
reports of people experiencing demonic phenomena. The DMT flash is pretty exhausting to me mentally, how does snorted DPT compare to it? If DMT works for maybe 10-15 minutes
then how long are effects felt of DPT that include significant fireworks? And is that not too long? That is my only concern: that DMT pushes the envelope en DPT is by definition too much...
 
Be sure to filter the sollution with a micrometer filter. I didn't and I IM'd 70mg. The muscle was sore for almost a week even though everything else was sterile and there was no redness or noticeable infection.
 
^ Also, try withdrawing the plunger before injecting to make sure you're not in a small deep vein. While 65mg iIM is pretty full on in it's effects (most I've ever done is 50mg IM and it pretty much blew my socks off), 65mg IV just doesn't bear thinking about in terms of how intense it would be
 
Because, if you're in a muscle there is much resistance to withdrawing the plunger but in a vein you draw blood pretty easily? Hmm don't know if one would know what is happening without any personal experience...

The 65 mg was referring to iodjini_dk's intranasal experiment by the way, I will start low whichever RoA it will turn out to be!
 
Solipsys said:
Because, if you're in a muscle there is much resistance to withdrawing the plunger but in a vein you draw blood pretty easily? Hmm don't know if one would know what is happening without any personal experience...

The 65 mg was referring to iodjini_dk's intranasal experiment by the way, I will start low whichever RoA it will turn out to be!
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Possibly, but when you pull back the plunger blood will come into the syringe if you're in a vein. If you're just in the muscle, it won't, so push away.

I agree, I can't even imagine what a strong IM dose would be like IV'd. Actually, I don't want to know.
 
swilow said:
^Thing with insufflation; if you end up snorting too deep, to the extent that you get a drip from it, a fair bit ends up in the gut and destroyed. I think, with DPT, that you sort of need to "store" it in your nasal cavity as opposed to hoovering it. :)
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After reading about the best way to maximize the one little 52 mg dose I have I'm glad I waited and read this. Good point Swillow. When I get to it I for sure won't hoover it but let it sit up there. I was told by the person that gave it too me that it would be an ass kicker of a dose. It's been stored in an airtight container for a few years but afer reading about stability it shoud be just fine.

You get the best tips on this board sometimes. :)
 
^ I don't actually find the burn not too bad at all with DPT, even stuff like MDMA burn a lot more for me. The drip, however, is very nasty and leaves my throat sore for days afterwards. However, as discussed earlier in this thread, I think that I might have not insufflated it properly which resulted in excess drip. It would also explain the fact why I needed at least 150mg of the stuff to get me properly tripping.
 
I also don't find the burn to be very bad.. but the drip has a pretty horrible taste, and a tendency to stick in your throat even when you try to wash it down with water. It also always leaves my nose feeling very dry, stuffy and clogged
 
OK any tips for caring for your nasal cavity then? And Recept how do you mean you didn't insufflate properly? I thought it is pretty straightforward, but what can you do to make it more smooth and efficient...?
 
I snorted it a couple of times, but have stuck to vaping since. It's not as harsh as my DMT when vaped. When snorted, I found the taste bearable, but the drip caused considerable soreness to my nasal mucosa, as it slid past on its way south. Once I was good and high, I washed my face (and insufflated some water) to wash the drip away. Plain sailing after that. I suspect that the blood vessels shrink away in the mucosa after the first blast, rather like with coke, and subsequent insufflations are not so effective, although I only have my own experience upon which to base this theory.
This stuff is, as many have pointed out, a superb adjunct to music. I tend to follow its kink with the music choice. A particular track which comes to mind is Aphex Twin's 'Windowlicker', whose video seems to share something with the DPT's twisted flavour. I also dug some Keth Jarrett keyboard improvisation stuff and there is always something worth having on Gilles Petersons Radio1 show at such times.
I've had a couple of grams of freebase in the freezer for 3 years now, which is still good to go. My next logical step is to try it orally on 300mgs of Moclobemide. I'm waiting for an appropriate opportunity. . .
As for Daniel Pinchbeck, it's his fault I got into RCs in the first place. His account of DPT was like a challenge to me. 'Surely it can't be that bad'. Sure enough, plenty of people reported otherwise and my first goes were quite amazing from my point of view. Nothing more to worry about than DMT or the other more profound materials. Is Pinchbeck almost responsible for some peoples bad experiences? There was a seed of doubt in my mind when I first tried it thanks to him. 'Breaking Open'etc. was a great psychedelic primer for anyone inside or outside the psychedelic community. His second book (2012) was, in my view, not so good. He seemed to have lost his judgement in his journeying and fallen for some fairly odd folk and their views, so that by the end he was 'channelling' etc. and fairly convinced of his authenticity. It brought to mind the adage 'Anyone can hear voices in their heads, but what takes skill is knowing which ones are telling the truth.' Probably Mckenna or Jim DeKorme.
Sorry to clutter this fine thread with my rambling - Peace - Pipp
 
Solipsys said:
OAnd Recept how do you mean you didn't insufflate properly? I thought it is pretty straightforward, but what can you do to make it more smooth and efficient...?
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Well, I think you're supposed to snort it more gently to make sure it stays in your nasal cavity and minimize the drip which is going to basically waste the substance that goes down your throat. When I was experimenting with it, I pretty much "hoovered it", like I would with speed or coke, and got some pretty nasty drip, and needed A LOT of the substance to get to the desired level of effects.

I'm not sure, however, if snorting it more gently would improve anything as I haven't gotten to trying it that way yet. It is possible that I just have an unusually high tolerance to this substance.
 
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