DPH Dependency

[Ondine]

Not completely sure if this is the right forum to post this in, so apologies to the mods if they have to move it.

Over the past 2 years I've developed what I guess I would consider moderate insomnia. I binged on acid and 2c-i last year, roll occasionally, have been using MXE on and off lately and do coke and other speedy things on the weekends sometimes. Obviously when I'm on those drugs, it's hard for me to sleep (iirc most people react the same). Sometimes I'll take valium or xanax to try to slow things down a bit, but unless I take large doses of them, they just relax me and don't actually make me fall asleep. That and considering the fact that I don't have a script for either, I've begun buying DPH, either as plain benadryl, or as ibuprofen pm (200mg/38mg) from the local drug store and take those before bed instead.

The thing is that I only used to take them (anywhere from 50-100mg, I don't like the feeling of large doses of that stuff very often) only on nights when I was on some other drug and couldn't shut my brain off. Gradually I began taking 2-3 every other day, and now I find my self taking 2-3 every night just to fall asleep.

I've tried just not taking them, and staying awake the whole night. I'll sleep fine the following night, but then the insomnia returns, and the lack of energy I get during the day is too much.

My question is if anyone else uses DPH in a similar way (not recreational), and if anyone knows if there are negative effects of long term DPH of dosage of that level and frequency

I know that the ibuprofen could also be an issue...

 

[ErgicMergic]

The negative effects from pure DPH are due to the anti-cholinergenic effects. So, if you can't pee, your heart races, your legs are restless, or your mouth is way too dry, those are the short-term side effects. Too much ibuprofen is horrible, just buy pure DPH.

If you want to switch to Doxylamine Succinate, you can do that. You can take 25mg instead of 50-100mg DPH and still sleep the same, with less of a hangover ("lack of energy during the day").

 

[Thorns Have Roses]

DPH is a bit hepatoxic so I'd worry that if carried out long term it might do something with much higher than average doses. I'd try using doxylamine (brand name unisom), it works better as a sleep aid IMO.

 

[Jesusgreen]

I agree with the above suggestions, along with that - if you are taking DPH in combination with ibuprofen, it might be wise to CWE (Perform a Cold Water Extraction on) it. DPH is easily soluble in water, while Ibuprofen is not very soluble, particularly in cold water. Ibuprofen isn't as bad as some things to consume in larger amounts, but if you're doing it regularly it will do some damage, so an extraction is recommended.

 

[jaurk]

I know of people who've been dependant on DPH, and ended up with panic attacks and other problems which they really don't like.

 

[Aetherius Rimor]

The negative effects from pure DPH are due to the anti-cholinergenic effects.

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If you want to switch to Doxylamine Succinate, you can do that.

This guy's advice is the best.

Doxylamine succinate is sold as a sleep aid instead of diphenhydramine for that reason.