Kratom Dosing 7-OHM

[chippermonk]

A bill has been introduced in the California legislature regulating kratom products. If it passes, I'm not sure what all it will do, but it looks like it will ban 7-oh for sure. It will also require labeling, etc of kratom products

 

[Bmwm8]

If you had this experience with just kratom shots I can pretty
Much assure you these 7oh tablets are going
To take whatever stability you do or don’t have and absolutely destabilize it even more. These pills will fuck your life
Up.

wow. crazy. I dont get any benefit from them after like a week or week an half max. These sound worse than just going to oxy and dilaudid jesus.

 

[helpingout]

wow. crazy. I dont get any benefit from them after like a week or week an half max. These sound worse than just going to oxy and dilaudid jesus.

Dude fr. I would use oxygen every Friday. I’d get sick on Fridays and use them be good again not sick till next Friday. It could have been my daily kratom usage turning into a withdrawal from the 7oh as I did not use kratom while taking it. But fr I feel like pharma opiates are so much safer for opiate users than what were driven to now. We had 20k heroin deaths in the 90’s and 00’s while in the tens we built up our opiate deaths to 120k In the 20’s. Dude the only thing I can identify as the cause is the disappearance of safe opioids in the 90’s and 00’s and the gradual shrink of the heroin market into the fentanyl market.

We can blame fetanyk till the cows come home but we’ve had pharma dent since the 90’s and it wasn’t causing 120k dead, we can blame the cartel but they were only indirectly causing 20k dead so what is it?

The opioid crisis is precipitated by the disappearance of safe opioids from a group of people who need a safe opioid supply and have been driven into a market of unsafe opioids.
Period dot dash

It’s the doctors and the dea who are responsible for the opioid epidemic through prescribing guidelines and policy decisions that drove the cartel and China to collaborate on increasingly smuggalavle opioids. Where heroin was imported by the kilo now we have fentanyl being imported with enough doses to kill New York smuggled imperceptibly.

They’ve fucked us with just say no prescribing and just say no policy.

Say yes to legalizing a safe supply of opiates.

 

[helpingout]

Dude fr. I would use oxygen every Friday. I’d get sick on Fridays and use them be good again not sick till next Friday. It could have been my daily kratom usage turning into a withdrawal from the 7oh as I did not use kratom while taking it. But fr I feel like pharma opiates are so much safer for opiate users than what were driven to now. We had 20k heroin deaths in the 90’s and 00’s while in the tens we built up our opiate deaths to 120k In the 20’s. Dude the only thing I can identify as the cause is the disappearance of safe opioids in the 90’s and 00’s and the gradual shrink of the heroin market into the fentanyl market.

We can blame fetanyk till the cows come home but we’ve had pharma dent since the 90’s and it wasn’t causing 120k dead, we can blame the cartel but they were only indirectly causing 20k dead so what is it?

The opioid crisis is precipitated by the disappearance of safe opioids from a group of people who need a safe opioid supply and have been driven into a market of unsafe opioids.
Period dot dash

It’s the doctors and the dea who are responsible for the opioid epidemic through prescribing guidelines and policy decisions that drove the cartel and China to collaborate on increasingly smuggalavle opioids. Where heroin was imported by the kilo now we have fentanyl being imported with enough doses to kill New York smuggled imperceptibly.

They’ve fucked us with just say no prescribing and just say no policy.

Say yes to legalizing a safe supply of opiates.

I hate when people blame big pharma. We need those medications because they treat pain. I know that there have been times in my life where I was so grateful for an opioid prescription. People filed lawsuits against the sacklers for having been mislead into addiction but I think those people are the ones to blame. They chose to use drugs created by big pharma and doled out by doctors then had surprised pikachu face when they were addicted.

Some of us have known they were addictive the whole time and needed those medications.

Momma didn’t raise no bitch and the doctors didn’t deceive me.

I was addicted because I needed a safe supply of opiates. I chose to risk addiction and I stand by my choice. Even after the changes in policy and prescription I stand by my choice to use illicit opioids because I needed opioids. Not because I cried boohoo and said I sue you when the piper wanted his due.

I’m sorry but I hate the victim mentality.

Even 7oh. I can see it happening now. But you know what 7oh did for me ?

Kratom has a six day half life. I replaced Kratom with 7oh,24 hr half life, stabilized on 7oh for seven days and then I kicked the kratom and the 7oh.

Now I’m about a week and a half clean.

People need to take personal responsibility in this opioid crisis. The sacklers did nothing wrong. America needs safe accessible opioids.

 

[Direwolf131]

Dude fr. I would use oxygen every Friday. I’d get sick on Fridays and use them be good again not sick till next Friday. It could have been my daily kratom usage turning into a withdrawal from the 7oh as I did not use kratom while taking it. But fr I feel like pharma opiates are so much safer for opiate users than what were driven to now. We had 20k heroin deaths in the 90’s and 00’s while in the tens we built up our opiate deaths to 120k In the 20’s. Dude the only thing I can identify as the cause is the disappearance of safe opioids in the 90’s and 00’s and the gradual shrink of the heroin market into the fentanyl market.

We can blame fetanyk till the cows come home but we’ve had pharma dent since the 90’s and it wasn’t causing 120k dead, we can blame the cartel but they were only indirectly causing 20k dead so what is it?

The opioid crisis is precipitated by the disappearance of safe opioids from a group of people who need a safe opioid supply and have been driven into a market of unsafe opioids.
Period dot dash

It’s the doctors and the dea who are responsible for the opioid epidemic through prescribing guidelines and policy decisions that drove the cartel and China to collaborate on increasingly smuggalavle opioids. Where heroin was imported by the kilo now we have fentanyl being imported with enough doses to kill New York smuggled imperceptibly.

They’ve fucked us with just say no prescribing and just say no policy.

Say yes to legalizing a safe supply of opiates.

Truly, and I do not wish to take thread off course, but a decade ago, actually it was 2012, I was taking oxycodone for my neck, and they forced me onto tramadol, and by "they" I mean several doctors. They insisted that tramadol was NOT an opioid, the safe choice and they literally gave me no choice in the matter! My original dose back then as prescribed, was 8 x 50 daily, 400mg!

Today, long after they completely addicted my ass to the tramadol, and whittled it down to 300 mg a day, they are now firmly intentioned to cut me off altogether, even though I have stuck with the 300 mg a day well enough for ten years, and never asked for anymore than that daily 300 mg, and was doing great. Now, today, its the same fucking MD's treating me like a junkie, and that I'm to blame for it all, you cannot make this shit up, 25 years ago people would have laughed in your face, nobody would believe you about those lying ass doctors, not a chance!

 

[helpingout]

Truly, and I do not wish to take thread off course, but a decade ago, actually it was 2012, I was taking oxycodone for my neck, and they forced me onto tramadol, and by "they" I mean several doctors. They insisted that tramadol was NOT an opioid, the safe choice and they literally gave me no choice in the matter! My original dose back then as prescribed, was 8 x 50 daily, 400mg!

Today, long after they completely addicted my ass to the tramadol, and whittled it down to 300 mg a day, they are now firmly intentioned to cut me off altogether, even though I have stuck with the 300 mg a day well enough for ten years, and never asked for anymore than that daily 300 mg, and was doing great. Now, today, its the same fucking MD's treating me like a junkie, and that I'm to blame for it all, you cannot make this shit up, 25 years ago people would have laughed in your face, nobody would believe you about those lying ass doctors, not a chance!

I hear you man. Please be careful when they cut you off. I’d rather see you on kratom, sub, o-dsmt, literally anything besides street fentanyl. Guard your life. These doctors don’t care if you lose it seeking relief from the same conditions they have claimed to treat.

 

[helpingout]

I hear you man. Please be careful when they cut you off. I’d rather see you on kratom, sub, o-dsmt, literally anything besides street fentanyl. Guard your life. These doctors don’t care if you lose it seeking relief from the same conditions they have claimed to treat.

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Truly, and I do not wish to take thread off course, but a decade ago, actually it was 2012, I was taking oxycodone for my neck, and they forced me onto tramadol, and by "they" I mean several doctors. They insisted that tramadol was NOT an opioid, the safe choice and they literally gave me no choice in the matter! My original dose back then as prescribed, was 8 x 50 daily, 400mg!

Today, long after they completely addicted my ass to the tramadol, and whittled it down to 300 mg a day, they are now firmly intentioned to cut me off altogether, even though I have stuck with the 300 mg a day well enough for ten years, and never asked for anymore than that daily 300 mg, and was doing great. Now, today, its the same fucking MD's treating me like a junkie, and that I'm to blame for it all, you cannot make this shit up, 25 years ago people would have laughed in your face, nobody would believe you about those lying ass doctors, not a chance!

“Don’t worry, I wrote you a prescription for 800mg ibuprofen so that should take care of your pain relief needs. If it gets any worse see me again and I’ll tell you to go fuck yourself junkie.” - Doctors Everywhere

 

[Direwolf131]

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“Don’t worry, I wrote you a prescription for 800mg ibuprofen so that should take care of your pain relief needs. If it gets any worse see me again and I’ll tell you to go fuck yourself junkie.” - Doctors Everywhere

Its obscene, they are literally an obscenity, I talked with the other patients in the pain clinic, I listened to them, what the doctors had them on, and I see videos on youtube of the lost, thrown away souls nodding in and out on the streets of Philly, its a fucking obscenity, and everyone of those people on those streets were thrown there by some doctor...

 

[Mycophile]

This is the first time I've really read about 7-OHM, so I guess I should completely stay away from it right? Cause I already get compulsive over plain leaf kratom and extracts, but they sound like they are barely even addictive in comparison to this stuff.

I mean, there's a part of me that I know will be curious to try it, but I'm thinking I'm better off never trying it even once with the descriptions of people losing their shit over it. I just hope I don't accidentally take it if it becomes available at headshops and I mistake it for another extract. NO...I'm good on this shit. I've already been overdoing it with regular extracts and hoping that my tolerance will go back down from those.

 

[Twisted_Chemist]

When 7s First came out, I got a pack from my buddy who owns a smoke shop, popped half, felt decent. Took a whole one, felt great. My Tolerance is about 14-16g.

Took my next one with a few grams of powder, and started to nod.

I now get the "pressed" 18mg tabs, easy to chew with a minty flavor.

A doctor in FL called these legal morphine, and I agree.

 

[Didgital]

Ok so I manufacture 7-OH for a living at the moment. I've found the main 2 factors are tolerance and then body weight.

I had to carry an approx 110lb girl with no tolerance to her bed with 5mg. I myself weigh 145 and no tolerance, and I certainly feel 5mg. 10mg is kinda where I like to be, I can do 15mg but I don't wanna be anywhere but in my bed at that dose. On the other hand, I have a friend who's quite a bit heavier, and he doesn't feel 5mg. He takes the full 15. I also have a friend who prolly takes 40g of plant/day and he weighs 175? He only feels ot at 15mg.

So imo it's weight/tolerance dependent.
But yeah start with one, and see how it feels.

@negrogesic find it to last longer than plant or pure mitragynine. For me it's 5-6 hrs

 

[yaesutom]

Has anyone tested these for fentanyl?

There are tons of headshop “shroom” products that are labeled amanita muscaria but actually contain tryptamines. Some websites even have fake lab analysis posted. I would not be surprised if some of these don’t have any Kratom or 7-oh but have fentanyl or an analog instead.

 

[DeathIndustrial88]

It's crazy to me hearing people describe kratom & it's extracts as like it's some good dope or something.

No amount of kratom or extracts has ever really hit the spot for me. Sure, there's effects there, but it's nothing like traditional opioids. No blissed out euphoria or stimulation or contentedness like stuff such as heroin or even tramadol would bring.

Buprenorphine seems more enjoyable than kratom & bupe sucks.

Perhaps the stuff just doesn't agree with my physiology, I have no idea. Not once have I taken kratom or it's extracts & then felt like "damn I really need some more of that". Maybe I just haven't had the right brand??

 

[tweakedonmeth]

Ok so I manufacture 7-OH for a living at the moment. I've found the main 2 factors are tolerance and then body weight.

I had to carry an approx 110lb girl with no tolerance to her bed with 5mg. I myself weigh 145 and no tolerance, and I certainly feel 5mg. 10mg is kinda where I like to be, I can do 15mg but I don't wanna be anywhere but in my bed at that dose. On the other hand, I have a friend who's quite a bit heavier, and he doesn't feel 5mg. He takes the full 15. I also have a friend who prolly takes 40g of plant/day and he weighs 175? He only feels ot at 15mg.

So imo it's weight/tolerance dependent.
But yeah start with one, and see how it feels.

@negrogesic find it to last longer than plant or pure mitragynine. For me it's 5-6 hrs

any chance you're aware of a food safe solvent/solution i could use for a 7oh tincture? need to volumetrically dose some 89% powder with no tolerance and it seems like most options would end up destroying the 7oh within about a month.

also, anyone planning to fuck around with this, just because it's legal and difficult to OD on doesn't mean it's a toy to play with. i've been using mitragynine (plain leaf and extracts) for about 4 months daily, i got some 7oh a few days ago after BEYOND extensive research (heavily involved in the community without having ever tried it lol) and years of practicing HR under my belt. i dosed 45mg in 36 hours after only intending to try out 5mg, my last dose (#4) was 4x my first dose (5mg->20mg) and i got similar effects. felt mildly lethargic all day after and mitragynine only gave about 2-3 hours of relief instead of 5-7, AFTER 3 TABLETS WORTH OF 7OH. this shit is not a toy, realistically i think i would develop tolerance and physical dependence if i dosed more than 2x a week. most drastic tolerance build i've ever experienced with any substance

 

[Didgital]

any chance you're aware of a food safe solvent/solution i could use for a 7oh tincture?

Have you considered using alcohol? No where in my research have I seen anything about it being inherently unstable in liquids. It does not like heat though, and it especially hates heat when in acidic solutions.

 

[MrTodd600]

7-ohms is awesome but has thrown the entire kratom community into straight up addictive behavior. Go on Reddit to the 7-oh forums. It’s crazy. People absolutely freaking the fuck out about late packages, total inventory raids of suppliers, cartel like control of production by one company, and basically the entire kratom community, which used to be stable and regular and chill, just became like active dope fiends who are all broke as shit now. You can really tell how addictive 7-oh is when you read the experiences of the people for whom money is no object. They’re taking like 9 pills a day and continuing to push upwards. Like there’s no limit to where this drug is taking people. It’s a bad vibe all over that community right now. It’s a great drug. It’s an awesome feeling. One of the more euphoric I’ve ever tried. But god damn that euphoria comes at a severe dopamine and serotonin reward creation associated with taking that drug and it will
Keep giving if you increase your dose. The withdrawals are fucked up and people are straight up losing their shit when it happens. It’s a crazy thing to observe in. Real time.

Good points and all very true. Fuck I’m up to four tabs a day at 15mg a pop I actually went back down to two but got sucked back in. Tried cold turkey… the withdrawals are nasty. Will have more stuff on hand for the next effort. Vitamin C, Kratom Power, maybe some DLPA too. Heard that works well with WD’s.

I couldn’t even imagine taking 7-8 a day like I’ve heard some are up too! FFS!

 

[helpingout]

Good points and all very true. Fuck I’m up to four tabs a day at 15mg a pop I actually went back down to two but got sucked back in. Tried cold turkey… the withdrawals are nasty. Will have more stuff on hand for the next effort. Vitamin C, Kratom Power, maybe some DLPA too. Heard that works well with WD’s.

I couldn’t even imagine taking 7-8 a day like I’ve heard some are up too! FFS!

Search vitamins for opiate withdrawal in the search bar. I made a pretty extensive post that should help you out.

 

[MrTodd600]

Search vitamins for opiate withdrawal in the search bar. I made a pretty extensive post that should help you out.

Will do. Thanks

 

[ChuckBeeblebrox]

The 15mg 7-OHM pills I tried felt similar in strength to an OPMS black capsule. The effect is a bit different though, cleaner feeling. Seemed pretty short acting unfortunately. If you take 6-9g of kratom in a single dose you'll have no trouble with 15mg of 7-OHM. That said, 15mg of 7-OHM is stronger than 9g of kratom in terms of effect.

Given the high cost, I'd rather go for something like o-desmethyltramadol, which has a better high anyhow and is less expensive.

Yes but where would one find o-desmethyltramadol? I understand its not scheduled but i cant find a vendor online.

 

[MrTodd600]

Was off this stuff for a good week do to some fucked up circumstances (Car wreck) and was starting to do fine. Just had some green powder to ease the withdrawals from having to quit cold turkey. Like a dumbass… started up again thinking “I’ll just do a pack for fun and won’t go overboard.” FFS.

Anyway… eating these things like candy and really fixing to just bite the bullet and go to detox. Was verrrry close to going a couple months ago but the powder helped. But had no options but to use the powder I had on hand do to not being able to drive. Lol Should have just used that time without a car as a blessing in disguise and NOT fell off the damn wagon.

I agree with those that say the high really isn’t even that great but when you get used to them and get used to that little routine that goes with it to have that unwind and escape… Hard to break.

Anyway… needless to say… careful with this stuff. I’ve kicked shards, booze and Addies before so I can kick this. Different type of fight though.