got beans? said:
someone mention GBL and i read in the seattle times this morning that the chemical in the toy metabolizes from something into GHB. is GBL this precursor and if so can anyone explain how that works?
yes, our body metabolizes gbl to ghb which happens mostly in the blood. a small part is being metabolized in the liver.
however, gbl itself has an effect, so it's not only the ghb which makes you high.
the most interesting part is, that gbl kicks in faster than ghb. the effects from gbl also don't last as long as those from ghb.
it is said that ghb causes a "smoother" high with a slow comedown, gbl on the other hand kicks in really quickly, gives you a rush of euphoria and you lose the bigger part of your inhibitions. it is a great drug to party and wonderful to combine with amphetamine, thc and gbl also go good together.
you should NEVER combine gbl (or ghb, of course) with opioids, this combo could kill you, seriosly. you also have to be very careful with alcohol and benzos on gbl, cuz these three all work on the gaba-system in your brain. the body turns ghb finally to gaba (afaik...).
the gaba-system is for relaxation, calmness, loss of anxiety and so on.
to those toys: i wouldnt even consider getting high off those. you dont know how much there is in one dot, you dont know if its inside oder outside (i guess inside, if it were outside the dots would be all wet and smell disgusting) or even how you would take them.
please, forget it.
ok, maye it's easy for me to say, cuz here in germany you can order gbl over the internet and three or four days later, ou get your bottle. and its cheap. cheap as hell!
thats why it is so fucking addictive... most people can integrate it in their every days life, the effects don't last too long (so you can either have a quick high oder you have to redose every ~2 hours) and if you have a bottle at home, it's fucking hard not to take it all the time.
the smallest amount to order that i have found was 100ml. for a beginner, thats 100 "hits". then the amounts go over 250, 500ml to 1, 5 or 10 liters.
i was/am pretty addicted to gbl, after two years and a little, 4 liters had flown to my body and i had two very unpleasant withdrawals. the major problem is that ou can't sleep for a couple of days (unless you drink sick amounts of alcohol, that might give you at leat a couple of hours sleep... bt when you wake up, your still withdrawing AND have an hangover.)
other problems are that you feel very nervous and anxious and your hands are shaking (probably just like they do when someone withdraws alcohol).
in that state of mind, you're pissed of at everything and you get angry pretty soon if someone doesn't share your opinion i.e.
after 4 or 5 days, you are as good as through. then comes the real hard part: living WITHOUT gbl. i asked myself, if i even would be able to feel happyness again.
EDIT: the withdrawals seem to become harder to manage by the time and if you have been physically addicted to it, you're quickly back in your mellow gbl-world. the last time i ordered 250ml and have taken about... 180?ml. i hab mild, but unpleasant withdrawalsymptoms after EIGHT (!) days of 24/7 abuse of gbl. that stuff scares me more and more.
(thats only my own experience, sorry for that long text and the off-topic :D. btw, gbl-withdrawals can become much harder, depending on how long and how much you have taken. ive heard of people getting psychotic for days with blackouts... you can also get epileptic seizures.
benzos and alcohol help a little to calm you down, maybe a sedating AD xoul help too.
(if you find errors, keep them. if you find something incorrect, PLEASE tell me and the others.)
greetz from germany, atm without gbl, but opioids, alcohol and benzos just to not be sober.
edit: sorry for that long text

. but being high and writing about my favorite drug... well, ou know what i mean. AND PLEASE REMEMBER; THAT EVERYTHING I HAVE WRITTEN ABOUT GBL IS TRUE FOR GHB, TOO.
the funny thing is, i have never tried ghb... although the "synthesis" is so easy a blindfolded monkey with one arm could do it.
well, maybe someday i'll try ghb and find out, if there are noticable differences... or not.
