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Don't Want To Get My Doc In Trouble

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GottaRockDoc

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I'm sure this is a strange question -- but I've found a doctor who is caring, but also the prototypical rock doc. He's concerned with my health (I have chronic headaches), but he also prescribes whatever I request. He's really a good guy -- and I'm concerned. I don't want to jeopordize him -- does anyone know how the DEA tracks controlled substances? If I'm filling percocets (650/10) in quantities of 100 twice a month, am I putting him in a bad situation? If I use my insurance, does that complicate the situation? In short, how do I go about getting my scripts filled without calling attention to him
 
This is the dea we are talking about not some local pharmacist. If he is prescribing controlled substances (especially C-II substances) they are going to know. In fact I believe that either him or the pharmacy is actually required to report c-II perscriptions to the dea. Not using insurance isn't going to hide this and if anything would be more sucpiscious.
I really wouldn't worry too much. You are probably more likely to get him into trouble posting about it. There are doctors scripting crazy shit over the internet these people are probably higher up on their nab list. Hell alot of doctors are still precribing OCs for back pain.
It sounds like you have an upstanding doctor who realizes that the abuse/dependence liability for prescription painkillers is extremly exagerated and as they are so safe and effective they should be prescribed more frequently. I don't think the dea is really going to come down hard on a doctor who isn't really too far away...if he differs at all...from currently advised medical practice.
You could always test this. Say you have ADD and ask for desoxyn. If he gives it to you he is a shame doc :-).
 
You're probably not putting your doctor in a bad situation.. but 200 650/10 Percocets a month?
Do you have any idea how much acetaminophen that is? Good lord, you won't have a liver left by next year.
Tell him to switch your script to Oxy-IR or OxyContin immediately citing the outrageous levels of acetaminophen you're taking which are going to totally destroy your liver at the rate you're going.
Your best bet would be to ask about Oxy-IR since saying OxyContin is basically saying "yeah, I'm trying to get high".
 
There's also another drug which contains nothing but oxycodone. Ask for a drug called Percolone, which comes in 5 mg oxycodone pills. I say this because it is not made by the same company as Oxycontin, and it isn't very well known.
 
Originally posted by quale:
It sounds like you have an upstanding doctor who realizes that the abuse/dependence liability for prescription painkillers is extremly exagerated and as they are so safe and effective they should be prescribed more frequently.
I totally agree about them being VERY safe and effective, but seriously visit a rehab center for one day and you will see how bad the addiction potential is for painkillers. Oxycodone especially. However, I still think doctors should perscribe what the patient wants, after all the patient is PAYING for his visit, and it is his right to attain these substances.
Rock on
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Im not saying they can't be abused. Just that the rate of addiction from real medical use is very low. Its one thing to script some percs to get high...wouldn't surprise me if you got addicted. However, out of the millions of people who complain about pain in the US most won't become addicted from using opiates.
I mean give me script for some OCs or even percs and I will be popping them as I walk out the door but I have plenty of friends who don't even finish their doses. Some actively dislike these drugs.
The fact that alot of addicts like them doesn't mean that alot of people who recieve them will become addicted. You don't get to flip the arrow with statistics like that.
Sure they should get whatever they want. OCs should be sold over the counter. The doc doesn't have to recomend them though. Now true if I was a doc and I cared about people abusing drugs I might think twice about prescribing someone young a large dose of opiates. The risk though is clearly overestimated. My 80 year old grandma can't get a script for codeine...don't think she is going to pick up a side habit of injecting heroin. So I guess this doc definatly falls on the generous side of the line
Well that works out to about 4 and 1/3 grams of tylenol a day. Usually almost everyone overestimates the tylenol risk but 4 grams a day chronically is going to fuck your liver if you drink as well. If you don't drink you might be fine but this much tylenol on a regular basis would worry me.
[ 04 August 2002: Message edited by: quale ]
[ 04 August 2002: Message edited by: quale ]
 
What your doing is called double dipping. Lately the DEA are on to Doctors who are doing this with their patients. What your doing is not wrong it lies in the hands of the doctor who is writing the scripts for you. But you have to comes to terms with the realization that your doc is a quack. 200 perc 10's because your head hurts a month. Maybe if you had brain cancer...
 
A legit doctor? I LOL'd at quale's comment.. if you have "headaches" I really bet you could be managed on something less then 200 10mg percocet per month .. My friend, you found a croaker! Or else a doc thats has not been been slapped yet...
But you have a DUTY to do what you can to protect this doctor..
1) In MOST EVERY INSTANCE where a doc is busted for over-prescriing, IT'S THAT LOCAL PHARMACIST THATS RESPONSIBLE FOR TAKING HIM DOWN! .. yup, the pharmacist sees everything, and if you ome in with these huge scripts TWICE A MONTH then you're just asking for a pharmacist to take note...
2) The DEA keep copies of the scripts of file but the system isn't setup to punish right away - it's more of a tracking system, again, the DEA people that review the scripts can resolve the issue by simply calling the doc, that doc can often talk his way out or simply fax over a chart - but USUALLY its the pharmacist that takes note...
3) Insurance - this is also a bad idea, you can pay for one script with insurance but pay cash for the other at a differnt chain...
To recap:
1) Fill 1st script at a single pharmacy, same pharmacy each month, use insurance..
2) Fill second script at totally differnt pharmacy, pay cash, dont even mention insurance...
3) Don't tell ANYONE about this doctor.. don't brag to your friends about it or let them see the bottle (thats how I got ahookup a few years ago - a friend was bragging about a docthat wrote anything so I askedto see the bottle to "proove it was really Dilaudid" .. I took note of the name and ended up putting the other person out of business!
I am losing this thread because I am trying to keep all these doctor shopping questions over at the other site .. honestly, this has NOTHING to do with drug info and is simply an admission of laws being broken - yeah, I'm guilty of such things but we are trying to do some clean up...
I am always willing to discuss these uissues (doctor shopping) via email too..
 
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