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DOM vs DOC

Apollo Matta

Apollo Matta

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Are either of these substances worth trying?
i don't like amphetamines, their long duration and their side effects.
i don't even like mdma any more for these reasons.

Are these substances psychedelic, as Mushrooms and dmt are.
From what ive read on these forums, 2ce and 2cp are the most psychedelic of the 2cx. And DOM and DOC are the most psychedelic and bearable of the DOX.

im looking for a deeper psychedelic, not just a speedy high with visuals.
 
If you do not like long durations or side effects, the DOx series is really not for you.

Lot's of substances can provide deep psychedelic experiences. Why not look at the tryptamines? DPT can provide you with deep psychedelic insight, probably the most similar to DMT, but the side-effects can be distracting for some (insufflated the drip is unbearable and the tremors can get ugly). Some of the 4-substituted tryptamines are very similar to a mushroom experience, but some of them are said to be less mentally stimulating (4-Ho-MET for example).

Just read a little more on the forums, look at the psychedelic drug index on the forum header, the big and dandy threads listed there go into detail on pretty much all the substances you will be interested in.
 
I never found DOC speedy, in fact I could often catch a few hours sleep after 8 or 9 hours. I found it to be a wonderful compound. I have never tried DOM (it's on my list), but from what I understand it is quite stimulating. Highish doses of DOC are certainly truly psychedelic!
 
I have only tried DOB but it doesn't sound like your cup of tea.

Tryptamines feel more purely psychedelic to me than phenethylamines in general. Some people are not really looking for a wide array of compounds to try while other will go out of their way to take something "as long as it's new".

What I mean is: you don't come off as experimental in a typical sense, but if you are ever in an experimental mood (I don't mean a whim here) DOC and DOM might just be worth trying at least once. Who are we to decide that for you?
If you haven't explored tryptamines though from your description of what you are looking for it would seem a little strange to me to hop to any DOX.
 
^I would agree. 4-ho-MiPT or 4-aco-DMT are two tryptamines which come to mind. They sound more like what you are looking for.
 
in general you will probably not find any phenethylamine that fits your criteria to a t (short duration, limited side effects, no over stimulation) but that being said that does not mean they do not warrant some experimentation. For instance 2c-e and 2c-p are both known to be very psychedelic, but both can create uncomfterable body loads, nausea and long experiences. the 2c-halogens like 2c-c, 2c-i, and 2c-b and even 2c-d are less psychedelic and quite stimulating but much lower on the side effects and duration as well.

I think you may find the 2c-t-x's the most interesting. To me, and I have not yet tried any DOx's, they are the most psychedelic phenethylamines. 2c-t-2, while can be quite nauseating, is extremely psychedelic, not to heavy on the stimulation (much more of a very massive body trip that feels very good) and only last 7-8 hours. 2c-t-7 (which I have yet to try) is known to last about twice as long and in general has less nausea.

IMO indole psychedelics like tryptamines and ergolines are where its at though. Dont get me wrong I love phenethylamines, but for the down and dirty pure psychedelic work I always go with indoles. But really solipsis is right we cant know which psychedelics you will respond best to, everybodies different. Also it will help f you go into the phenethylamine experience with a completely open mind. If you say "well I want a tryptamine style psychedelic ass kicking and know that this phenethylamine wont produce that" then you will be really let down and not take much away from the experience. But if you go in with only an open mind you may very surprised at what the PEA's have to offer you.
 
like everyone else says, based purely on what you wrote in your first post, it does not sound like the DOxs are for you.

however, for what its worth--i enjoy DOI and DOC a hell of a lot more than amphetamine. =D
 
DOC seems to be more of what im looking for in a DOX compound. Alot of people love DOC while others hate all DOX's. i would probably start with DOC, then try DOM maybe someday only if i was given it by a trusted source. but i think il have to go out of my way to try some DOC someday.

DOC seems to be worth trying at least once.
im still torn with DOM though, as it is schedual 3 here in canada, very hard to find, and risky to order. is it worth seeking?

4 aco dmt is something i really look forward to trying,
maybe 4 aco mipt as well.

2ctx's i still dont know too much about, but ive heard they are intense.
 
both are great but dob is better.Only advantage of doc aggainst dob is that it isnt that energetic.Its like shooting 38 special in revolver chambered for 357 magnum
 
I'd say the vasoconstriction of DOB is definitely a disadvantage even at what I would call a moderate dose. Apparently this is less with DOC.

Apollo, even though there seem to be enough differences between DOX and their corresponding 2C-X the reported relaxation of DOC really reminds me of what I have felt myself with 2C-C and it is quite pleasant indeed.
DOM seems to be more interesting and with a potential to be profound and intense greater than DOC but from what I gather less easygoing or welcoming than it. The 4-alkyl-PEAs (2C-D, 2C-E, 2C-P, DOM) seem to have a neutral emotional component that cause it to have a "serious" undertone or what might be called cold or subjective.
I wouldn't reject DOM too easily as not being worthwhile, if you are considering DOC like you are. But of course I understand that it is not that available - I have to be thankful for receiving it regarding that indeed.
 
They've been amazing to me. Best to start EARLY. The duration is a bummer to some people but I feel its worth it to explore these compounds. I can say a lot of good things about these. DOM is more philosophical and inspirational though. The depth you're looking for can be found in DOM but you'll have to bear with the duration. I've also noticed out of the three DOx's I've done DOM has had the least side effects.
 
Is DOC light like 2c-e, or is light good for the edginess of dox's.
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You think 2c-e is "light"? I couldn't even compare it to DOC. DOC is one of the most pleasent psychedelics I have encountered.
 
i am curious about 2ct7 and 2ct2, and 2ci, how do these compare?
also 4 aco dmt and 4 ho dmt..
any information would help.
i am reading the forums already talking about these compounds.
 
Care to be more specific about your question?

What is it anyway that attracts you to any of these compounds? Different people can value different things in psychedelics. :)

From DOM vs DOC to general advice... it's kinda hard to say where to start :D why don't you start and tell what you already know, liked hearing and disliked hearing.
I'd appreciate it.
 
i have a long history with mushrooms, ive done mdma, but dont anymore.
i prefer mushrooms, and i think dmt (though i have not tried)
psychedelics hold a lifelong place in my thought.
ive been on almost all big and dandy threads,
and read most of the ones ive found interesting.
2ce and 2cp are the 2cx's im going to try,
im just curious about 2ct2 and t7.
i have a pretty solid list of psychedelics i wish to try and grow in the future.
the last two i am researching are t2 and t7.
 
The last two? Of how many, of only those four you mentioned? :)

Well 2C-T-2 I have never tried but I found 2C-T-7 pretty fantastic, I always call it a 'rich' experience because it's warm and sophisticated emotionally as well as sensorically. It just seems to have a lot of potential, and compared to compounds like 2C-B just a lot more interesting and deep and complex. Something like 2C-I has a feeling of radiance, as if the sun is shining right in the room and orange light shines from everything but psychologically I find it rather lame actually (I know you haven't mentioned 2C-I but I do to constrast it).

2C-T-7 seems to have it all and doesn't limit itself to only a few effects. Unfortunately it can upset your stomache a bit and throwing up is possible but I didn't find it terribly annoying, just like I didn't find mescaline annoying. 2C-E was heavier to bear for me though although it all depends on the person a lot.

Like I said I have no personal experience with 2C-T-2, it sounds quite interesting but also like it can go into unexpected directions with kind of absurd sensorical and psychological effects. From everything I've read it seems to come close to 2C-T-7 and basically just with its own different character.

2C-E and 2C-T-7 both reminded me of mescaline the most unlike the halogenated 2C-X but I found 2C-E more emotionally neutral and more intellectually appealing while 2C-T-7 was even warmer and more intricate than my synthetic mescaline experience. But mescaline feels more "pure", like a clean experience as if you weren't even on a drug at all. As if you had always been on a drug but suddenly you are really only yourself. Which is deeply touching.
 
I haven't done DOM but have done DOB and DOC.

Both are pretty fantastic, I prefer DOB over DOC though because with DOC I have a an idiosyncratic body reaction days after where I get the tingling sensation like when your foot falls asleep.

The visuals for DOB are more distortive and cartoony
Visuals for DOC are like watching everything in ultra-fine HD resolution.

Also with DOC some people report that it has an astrological component where the same dose can vary in psychological potency.

Downside with DOB is it lasts longer. Might be an upside if you're at a festival or there's no school the next day.

Although the DOxs are the amphet substitutions of the 2c-xs I would still say they are are quite unique effects profiles. DOB is nothing like 2c-b
 
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"As if you had always been on a drug but suddenly you are really only yourself."
this is what i am looking for in a psychedelic.
i feel this on mushrooms, not on mdma, which is why i don't do M anymore.
dmt, mescaline, ibogaine, salvia these all seem to possess this property.
2ce and 2cp wont, but seem interesting still,
4 aco dmt, 4 ho mipt and 5 meo dmt are also on my list.

2ct2 and 7 have very mixed reviews, and the 2ct7 deaths do scare me,
but shulgin compares t7 to mescaline in richness, so that makes me want to try,
for the 2ctx's, what is the highest dose you could safely take with 0 chance of death?
 
Ehm, that's a rather weird question. It cannot be accurately answered, everyone reacts differently to different dosages. Besides, why aim for "the highest dose possible"? Just find out for yourself what a light, medium and strong trip are, the dosages stated in the erowid vaults are rather accurate.
 
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