Opioids doing H without addiction

[Magickduck]

So yesterday I tried heroin for the first time, and it was okay.... first I tried smoking a little, shared two 100mg bowls with a friend. This didn't do much, so I snorted .1. This was kinda nice, very very mild. I did another .1 a while later. Still same level, not too intense. Did another .1 and yeah still not feeling much, this was very spaced out. Aparently its decent quality dope.

Anyway, thats not the point of this thread. before this, I have done opiates occasionally. I've done opana, oxycodone, diluadid, hydrocodone, suboxone, methadone, etc, all sorts of opiates, and never gotten addicted and I have kept it very rare. My main question: is heroin more addictive than other opiates?

I want to try it again today, and my friend still has some, but its because I crossed a personal line with myself to try this and then did not get the experiance I was looking for. I have a natural tolerance to opiates.... for example, I hadn't done opiates in a long while and the other day took 75mg of hydrocodone and barely felt anything.

So, I woke up this morning and decided against trying it again. But as the day is going on, I've changed my mind and think I'm gonna give it another go, and this time use rectal administration.

But yeah.... is it any more addictive? in the past I have done all sorts of opiates and its never really been an issue... my life is awesome ive got a beauitiful wife a good job, etc, I am happy, so its not really an escape I need, just a nice feeling.

By the time i read this replys i would have already done it but yeah i'm really not trying to become a dope addict, so any advice is welcome.

 

[Mr.Scagnattie]

Are you serious? Hah.

Yes. Heroin is usually more addictive, especially if IV'ed (which every one I know who ever started H, no matter how against needles they may have been, has ended up doing).

We get a lot of these threads.. the "how do I use H and not become an addict" "If I try really hard, I won't get strung out right?" You can search and find them all. They all end with the same consensus, man.

I'm going to bold this so you really get me, something I've said over and over again. The chances of anybody being able to use heroin and not get addicted are literally probably .1% and throughout all my years using and all my friends' years using, I've NEVER met anyone who could do it. Out of thousands and thousands of addicts I've met, none

Take that as you will.

 

[Morphling]

So yesterday I tried heroin for the first time, and it was okay....

My main question: is heroin more addictive than other opiates?

I want to try it again today,

So, I woke up this morning and decided against trying it again. But as the day is going on...

But yeah.... is it any more addictive?
By the time i read this replys i would have already done it but yeah i'm really not trying to become a dope addict, so any advice is welcome.

Fucking LOL.

Read your own words.

 

[Mr.Scagnattie]

And by the way, nobody "tries to become a dope addict"... It's not exactly most peoples idea of a life ambition..

 

[King-Anubis]

So, I woke up this morning and decided against trying it again. But as the day is going on, I've changed my mind and think I'm gonna give it another go, and this time use rectal administration.

BAM! Psychological addiction!

No offence, you don't sound like you have the willpower to take H without getting addicted. You sound a lot like me when it comes to drug. Little control, all impulse.

Get out while you still can. It's one thing being psychologically addicted, and quite another being physically. You take it now for the feeling, you'll take it later to escape hell.

 

[Mass08]

If you enjoy your life and where it is heading then stop experimenting with H.

Even if you aren't happy with your life unless you want it to get 1000x worse, stop experimenting with H.

 

[BlueHues]

TBH, maybe you do have a tolerance, maybe it's mediocre dope, which there's a lot of that out there....Is your friend gonna just give you another 3points, because if not, I wouldn't bother... Because if you don't get high again today, it's gonna be stuck in your head that you wanna actually get a decent nod from it and your gonna end up doing it until you achieve that!....And once you do get ahold of enough good heroin to get you there, you'll probably like it and not think it's really all that big of a deal! Then, chances are, things could go down hill....Heroin never seems as bad as people expect it to be in the beginning, and it tricks you into thinking it's "just like everything else", but it's definitely not!....It is as much of a motherfucker as it's made out to be!

The first time someone shot me with a bag of heroin it was garbage and I barely felt it....I went back the next day and it was fucking amazing! I was at that house every other day for the next month....3 months after that, I was a junkie shooting heroin every day.....It hasn't been all misery, but it's basically taken over my life....Even when I'm not using heroin it still controls my life....It's always waiting there like "Hey, I know you didn't forget about me!"...It's not something I can ever forget about or honestly believe I'll be completely done with it...Everyone always makes "girl analogies" with heroin....It's like a girl that you meet and have really mindblowing sex with, but she's an insane bitch that freaks out for no reason, breaks things, threatens to kill herself, she's demanding! You know a relationship with her will never work, but the sex is so good, you keep getting sucked back into her bullshit, time and time again! Not to mention, she's banging every other guy in town!

Yeah, threads like this....all the time! Same answers every time.....

 

[Larc]

We really should just make a sticky stating that heroin is addictive as all hell! TBH I don't believe anyone just decided to try heroin, or any other drug for that matter. Something in your life might not be great and that hole needs filled. Do some serious self evaluations before you continue to use, and to add what every junkie (ex) has to say, don't do this shit.

 

[Znegative]

There are two types of addiction- Psychological addiction, and Physical addiction. If you're physically addicted, chances are that you're likely psychologically addicted as well, though that is not always the case, just how those who are psychologically addicted almost always become physically addicted. I would argue though that the physical addiction, in the scheme of things, is much easier to break than the psychological addiction. My psychologist told me about a study he had read about that had taken place among Veitnam veterans that came back to the United States addicted physically to Heroin. A percentage of this population was given treatment and followed up on- to the researchers amazement, a majority of these men, once detoxed, were able to stay heroin/opiate free. I wish I could find a source to this study, I'll talk to my psychologist next time I see him and ask if he has any references I could find, but the point is that becoming physically addicted to heroin/opiates/Benzo's/Barbiturates, does not automatically make you an addict. Those who develop a strong psychological craving for the drug have a far worse chance at being at risk for serious problems with drug dependency.

In the end though, Heroin is incredibly addictive. There are so many threads started by people who claim that they've got their use of heroin/crack/methamphetamine under strict control, and then, often within months, or sometimes within a year, the person reports back and humbly admits that those who warned them were right and that they'd lost almost everything to the drug. Now I know your question is a little bit different-but I just wanted to warn you that you're treading dangerous territories.

You seem to be asking if Heroin is more addictive than other strong Narcotics which are legal with prescription. I would say that IMO it is more addictive than most for sure. The few opiate painkillers available in the U.S. that IME have proved to be up there in terms of addictive potential are hydromorphone and Oxymorphone. Both these drugs are very euphoric, rapidly cross the BBB (meaning they hit your brain really quickly, even when not injected), and when they are injected intravenously, they produce strong rushes. I have always felt though that very high quality heroin still beats other opiates because it has a perfect balance of a good rush and a longer high. There is also the fact that it is highly stigmatized and I think that has a psychological effect on some too, that when they switch from say, sniffing oxycodone to shooting heroin, they adopt a more 'fuck-it' attitude.

And what Mr.Scagnattie said was right. Though most people that start using heroin sniff it at first (whether they are switching to dope from oxycodone or whether dope was the first opiate they used), almost EVERYONE but a few select people, end up shooting it at some point or another, and that opens up a whole new realm of hell when it comes to the addictive nature of the drug. Of course some have more control, and some can use it just now and then, but that doesn't mean that these types of users are still not putting themselves at risk. In fact, the infrequent user of street opiates has a much better chance of overdosing.

Really, the best way NOT to get into legal trouble, health trouble, or to succumb to a hellish addiction (and it is HELL), is to just avoid it all together.

I wanted to also say, since you are new to the drug, you might find some valuable information in The Beginner's Guide to Heroin.

 

[PantyRaid]

I managed to go about four years doing heroin on average about 3 or 4 times a week (usually about every other day, sometimes a couple days in a row but NEVER more than 4 days in a row and even 3 wouldnt be great) sometimes a bit more, sometimes a bit less. I did it in a mix of snorting, IM, and IV. Mostly the first two as my veins are a nightmare (always have been, they would go through up to 6 separate nurses trying to find a vein any time I went to the doctor as a kid) and at the time I didn't have the experience or skills to regularly find them, and no one else I knew could ever find them either. It made for a lot of poking around. Anyway, went I finally did get strung out it was a conscious decision. I knew perfectly well what would happen if I did it every day but just sort of said fuck it. I am probably the only person I know that had it happen like that, by (really fucking dumb) choice. Every one else really had no clue what was coming, or if they did they were in total denial. It would just happen and one day they'd wake up sick and realize it was too late.

Really it's never too late, but it tends to feel like it is.

So please, please be careful, once you cross that line it is so hard to come back, and a lot of people never do. The longer you use, the more of your friends and acquaintances die off around you.

It's a hard fucking life and it sucks and you hate it but then at the same time you LOVE it so much and after a while it's all you know and it will always come first. Always.

Good luck

 

[Znegative]

So please, please be careful, once you cross that line it is so hard to come back, and a lot of people never do. The longer you use, the more of your friends and acquaintances die off around you.

It's a hard fucking life and it sucks and you hate it but then at the same time you LOVE it so much and after a while it's all you know and it will always come first. Always.

Good luck

Very True, my struggle is that whenever I get to the point where I feel like "enough is enough" and get clean for a while, I start to eventually feel like I'm not free being clean because I want to get high so bad, and when I relapse it becomes so evident so fast that I threw my freedom away, and that its when I'm dependent on Heroin that I'm truly the slave. But by that point its usually too late, and I wont stop until I'm forced to due to an overdose, infection or arrest.

 

[motherofearth]

There are two types of addiction- Psychological addiction, and Physical addiction. If you're physically addicted, chances are that you're likely psychologically addicted as well, though that is not always the case, just how those who are psychologically addicted almost always become physically addicted. I would argue though that the physical addiction, in the scheme of things, is much easier to break than the psychological addiction. My psychologist told me about a study he had read about that had taken place among Veitnam veterans that came back to the United States addicted physically to Heroin. A percentage of this population was given treatment and followed up on- to the researchers amazement, a majority of these men, once detoxed, were able to stay heroin/opiate free. I wish I could find a source to this study, I'll talk to my psychologist next time I see him and ask if he has any references I could find, but the point is that becoming physically addicted to heroin/opiates/Benzo's/Barbiturates, does not automatically make you an addict. Those who develop a strong psychological craving for the drug have a far worse chance at being at risk for serious problems with drug dependency.

In the end though, Heroin is incredibly addictive. There are so many threads started by people who claim that they've got their use of heroin/crack/methamphetamine under strict control, and then, often within months, or sometimes within a year, the person reports back and humbly admits that those who warned them were right and that they'd lost almost everything to the drug. Now I know your question is a little bit different-but I just wanted to warn you that you're treading dangerous territories.

You seem to be asking if Heroin is more addictive than other strong Narcotics which are legal with prescription. I would say that IMO it is more addictive than most for sure. The few opiate painkillers available in the U.S. that IME have proved to be up there in terms of addictive potential are hydromorphone and Oxymorphone. Both these drugs are very euphoric, rapidly cross the BBB (meaning they hit your brain really quickly, even when not injected), and when they are injected intravenously, they produce strong rushes. I have always felt though that very high quality heroin still beats other opiates because it has a perfect balance of a good rush and a longer high. There is also the fact that it is highly stigmatized and I think that has a psychological effect on some too, that when they switch from say, sniffing oxycodone to shooting heroin, they adopt a more 'fuck-it' attitude.

And what Mr.Scagnattie said was right. Though most people that start using heroin sniff it at first (whether they are switching to dope from oxycodone or whether dope was the first opiate they used), almost EVERYONE but a few select people, end up shooting it at some point or another, and that opens up a whole new realm of hell when it comes to the addictive nature of the drug. Of course some have more control, and some can use it just now and then, but that doesn't mean that these types of users are still not putting themselves at risk. In fact, the infrequent user of street opiates has a much better chance of overdosing.

Really, the best way NOT to get into legal trouble, health trouble, or to succumb to a hellish addiction (and it is HELL), is to just avoid it all together.

I wanted to also say, since you are new to the drug, you might find some valuable information in The Beginner's Guide to Heroin.

This is a great post - listen to this!

 

[laCster]

Are you serious? Hah.

Yes. Heroin is usually more addictive, especially if IV'ed (which every one I know who ever started H, no matter how against needles they may have been, has ended up doing).

We get a lot of these threads.. the "how do I use H and not become an addict" "If I try really hard, I won't get strung out right?" You can search and find them all. They all end with the same consensus, man.

I'm going to bold this so you really get me, something I've said over and over again. The chances of anybody being able to use heroin and not get addicted are literally probably .1% and throughout all my years using and all my friends' years using, I've NEVER met anyone who could do it. Out of thousands and thousands of addicts I've met, none

Take that as you will.

This. I never thought I'd be physically addicted on opiates in my life up until I tried herron. Now I am addicted to the needle and I shoot up like 4-5 times a day (bupre)

 

[bingey]

It's harder than having sex with no orgasms.

 

[Magickduck]

We really should just make a sticky stating that heroin is addictive as all hell! TBH I don't believe anyone just decided to try heroin, or any other drug for that matter. Something in your life might not be great and that hole needs filled. Do some serious self evaluations before you continue to use, and to add what every junkie (ex) has to say, don't do this shit.

this is not nessicarily true, I mean I've got anxiety but my life is awesome.

I agree with everyone pretty much. I did end up trying it again, I plugged .2 and again felt barely anything. It could have been shitty dope, or it could be my tolerance. After more consideration, I will take it as a blessing and not do it again. I do agree now that it could be more addictive, as it did feel to have some evil energy about it. I do not know everyone elses beliefs regarding the spiritual side of heroin, but as soon as I would do it, something would happen in my surrounding enviornment to enforce it into my head "just what i needed" coming on the radio because at the exact moment i sniff it someone turns the radio on, etc... also way before i ever did H i saw this happen to another individual with the TV around him when he had been an addict and was considering doing H again.

So yeah, I won't be fucking with it again. I dunno, I felt it after plugging, but it wasn't what I expected. Compeltely lacked in euphoria, just made me relaxed, and tired and apathetic. And I love my empathy. When I do a drug I like the euphoria to be the type of "OMG I LOVE LIFE. I LOVE THE WORLD. AND, I LOVE YOU" type of euprhoia not the "damn i feel so fuckign good type" - even though thats not what I got I get that from other opiates. But this was even lacking in that - felt more like a benzo. Actually felt nearly identical for the type of feeling I get at the tail end of a pot high.

I know if I got good H or tried a higher dose I could probably end up with some issues - the short halflife mixed with the novelty/ease of access makes it a dangerous drug... especially with the evil spirit attached to it.

 

[Znegative]

Well, I'm glad that it didn't work out for you. You sound like a lot of other people I met, you sound in fact like myself when I started using heroin-you're a smart guy and from the sounds of it you been cursed with that 'curiosity' to experience everything. But really count yourself blessed. You talked about crossing a personal boundary by even trying it-well my friend, when you start using dope you cross almost every boundary you thought you never would. You'll swear you'll never shoot, then you shoot. You swear you'll never steal, then you steal. It's not something worth risking for the sake of curiosity.

I'm going to close this thread now OP, but I wish you the best of luck and hope you stay away from it, because there is an evil spirit in junk, its the same thing that makes the drug seem so mild, gentle and easy-going. It's a fucking illusion. I hope you didn't feel as though anyone here was attacking you. Many of us have struggled with addiction for years so we get very passionate when someone makes a post about using heroin for the first time and avoiding addiction. Feel free to PM me with any questions regarding the closure of the thread, or anything else. And really, good luck.