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DOI - first time 3mg - snake in the grass

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25yr old male / 165lbs / 2mg clonazepam daily (anxiety)
previously used: mushrooms, coke, mdma, dxm (current fave), 2ci, 2ct2, 5meoDMT
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3mg DOI oral

[100mg DOI dissolved in 100ml vodka ... put 3ml in my ice tea. nice weekday night cozy with gf. wasn't expecting anything special at 3mg]

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23:45 - dose the 3mgs

01:15 - queasy, rise in pulse, cold shakes. feel like i'm being 'drained'.

02:00 - brutal body load ... ice bath + electric chair. body feels like a shell - totally sapped. pissing like a horse.

02:30 - cramming greasy diner food ... very 'retro' feel ... everything seems schizo and annoying / jarring (ala hunter thompson ... i've never really related to his state of mind before). i'm stuttering and my thought patterns / moods are sporadic. everything is pretty negative and dark.

03:00 - the 'darkness' becomes too overwhelming and i take an mg of clon. i tried to tame the beast but it was honestly kicking my noob ass. there were times when i felt on top, but there were definitely some 'cry for mama' moments too. so i chickened out in the end since i don't want an onslaught of anxiety.

04:45 - the clon allows me to probe a little deeper without freaking out. still getting a serious 'retro' feel ... maybe this is closer to mesc or lsd than anything else i've done, cuz i don't usually feel any connection to old psych stuff (even tho i like it).

06:30 - still shaking. glad i had benzos on hand. whew.

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this was way more than i was prepared for ... i feel thoroughly trounced.

the body load was disgusting ... comparable to the 2cs that i've tried ... jittery and cold x 10! add to this the onset ... so slow and painful like a creeping death ... yech!

unlike the clarity to thought and speech that i found the 2cs to lend, this fragmented my brain and basically turned me into an itchy schizo. i could see the classic psych signs, and kind of felt the warm base of the spine buzz, but this was in no way lovey or hippy. dark and unrelenting ... jagged and scattered. way too ugly for me.

my body was saying: NO (the whole time)
my brain was saying: WAIT (i've almost got control ... *slips away*)

well ... it's going to take some serious practice to ride this one. and the way the body side went, idk if it's worth the effort. but there's something nice about the challenge it presents lol ... so evil.
 
INteresting report. I'm still never going to go there though...I've been sitting on DOB and DOI for ages. I guess I look at those as part of a collection...look but don't touch.

The only psychedelic alpha-methylated phenethylamines that interest me are DOC, DOET, DOM, the TMAs, and MEM. The rest I'll leave for another lifetime.
 
MGS: what criteria do you draw your distinctions from? they all seem so similar to me :\ . i haven't had much experience yet tho. my choice was limited due to availability ... but i'd heard good things about DOI and decided to give it a shot.

i thought of a little analogy for this first experience. it was kind of like being at the mercy of a crazed carny ... cranking up the speed on a ride even tho you are screaming 'let me off!'. i don't often 'personify' the actions of a chemical, but i got the distinct impression that the DOI was almost teasing me or toying with me. the substance was very much in control, and it was administering bittersweet punishment, like a dominatrix :|
 
When you say 'they all' what do you refer to?

As far as my opinions on thins like DOB and DOI, they are shaped mostly from the numerous trip reports here and abroad, as well as the content in the 'big and dandy' threads. Also, second hand information from trusted sources, who have had experience DOB, DOC, DOI, etc, have shaped my view.

For starters, anything lasting longer than 9hr is in second category, even LSD and my beloved 2C-T-7. Longer than 12hr, and it is the kiss of death. 10 years ago, hell even 5 years ago, I was in a different place...and I mean that category as well as mentally and I was in a better position for 'longer commitment' type experiments. It's just not the same anymore.

I've sampled over 30 different psychedelics. And due to many factors, I only trip once a year (if that). In 2005, the only psychedelics I ate were a threshold dosage of mushrooms, and 30mg 2C-C.

I'm at a point now where I trip so little, I am just not going to accept something less than what I think is 'first rate.'

With DOB and DOI in particular, I just have read too many bad reports to where I am going to risk it...especially given its a full weekend commitment. Your report furthers that....

>the body load was disgusting

and

>comparable to the 2cs that i've tried
>jittery and cold x 10! add to this the
>onset ... so slow and painful like a
>creeping death ... yech! unlike the
>clarity to thought and speech that i
>found the 2cs to lend, this fragmented
>my brain and basically turned me into
>an itchy schizo.

Five years ago, I was of the mind to try everyone I could...not out of reckless or hedonism. I was truly fascinated (still am) by the chemistry, and how each change could change the nature. I wanted to feel each change so I could know of all the possibilities. Along the way I discovered a number of gems, but also suffered (5-MeO-DiPT, 2C-N, that combo of methylone and 2C-I). I'm just not going to take those great risks anymore. Now I'm more content to let some of them (like DOB, DOI, 2C-G, DON) go to imagine. If a good percentage report significant discomfort (as have with DOB and DOI), it will have to be left to imagination.

Then again, 2C-P has had a few bummers associated with it and it is definitely still on the flight plan.

I guess it also comes down to personal taste....be it based on speculation, first hand experience, or a mixture of the two. The halogen-containing psychedelics just don't 'vibrate' with me the same as those with the alkyl or thio-alkyl group. 2C-B and 2C-C are nice, and I did have some good times with 2C-I. But 2C-D and 2C-E are FANTASTIC, each experience a gem.

It makes me far more interested in trying the higher homologs (2C-P, DOM and DOET) as well as related molecules such as MEM and the TMAs. I'm definitely not interested in a 24-hour version of 2C-I (although I do realize most find DOI and 2C-I worlds apart.)

DOC is an exception. For starters, I was always intrigued by it from reading PIHKAL. THis was 10 years ago...long before DOC was in mass-market. Just something about it. Add to it that so many here whos word and taste I respect have been smitten by DOC. I'm not attracted to the reports of it being "LSD" like, because I've done my time with LSD...and I like the PEAs more. But that with few exceptions, most find it free of body-load and (more importantly) a downright compelling and fantastic psychedelic...it is on my list.
 
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thx for the reply! the generalization was in reference to the phenethylamines listed, specifically why one DOx over another. from what i had read beforehand, DOI seemed like a good choice ... guess we read/heard different things, or differ in taste. was just curious as to your rationale. i can see where you're coming from now. also your wording 'look but don't touch' kind of scared me ... thought there might be something horrible i was unaware of!

maybe someone experienced with DOI can help me out here: i found the thought patterns invoked by the substance really hard to process. they were so discontinuous and jumbled. i tried very hard to focus ... but it was like being in a mental tornado. combined with the body stim, i just couldn't get in the saddle. there was nothing really 'new' experienced, it was just like a rapid-fire pastiche of some of my worst trips on other psychs combined with a cliche sort of 'classic psych' mindset (i could hear HST basically narrating my schizo thoughts) ... without any kind of context or direction.

is there a helpful strategy in 'calming' or 'smoothing' the flow with a DOx, or do you just have to roll with it? maybe a lower dose would help?

but idk if i even want to bother with it again at this point. i'm not one to let a single trip stop me, but it was probably the most severe body whooping i've ever taken from a chem. i've been stuttering ever since, and the spinal buzz has been lingering. i feel pretty unhealthy even after exercising hard a few times. yuck. (hence the red face in the tiltle).

anways sry to bump this ... just felt incomplete.
 
Try a lower dosage. 3mg is the max Shulgin recommends. In some cases, I have found his dosages on the low end. In other cases, just the opposite. Especially with regard to 2C-E...I can't believe he says up to 25mg....I found 20mg blew LSD off the map.

Try 1.5 next time.
 
I can't really say with DOI as I haven't tried it yet. But I can say that you shouldn't disregard all of the DOx compounds because of this experience. DOC is a much smoother, friendlier, more enjoyable chemical. It was a little hard for me to understand at first, but while I was figuring it out, it was very gentle with me. Then once I figured out what it was doing, it became immensely psychedelic, providing a deep, cathartic, healing experience.
 
colors said:
25yr old male / 165lbs / 2mg clonazepam daily (anxiety)
previously used: mushrooms, coke, mdma, dxm (current fave), 2ci, 2ct2, 5meoDMT
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3mg DOI oral

[100mg DOI dissolved in 100ml vodka ... put 3ml in my ice tea. nice weekday night cozy with gf. wasn't expecting anything special at 3mg]

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23:45 - dose the 3mgs

01:15 - queasy, rise in pulse, cold shakes. feel like i'm being 'drained'.

02:00 - brutal body load ... ice bath + electric chair. body feels like a shell - totally sapped. pissing like a horse.

02:30 - cramming greasy diner food ... very 'retro' feel ... everything seems schizo and annoying / jarring (ala hunter thompson ... i've never really related to his state of mind before). i'm stuttering and my thought patterns / moods are sporadic. everything is pretty negative and dark.

03:00 - the 'darkness' becomes too overwhelming and i take an mg of clon. i tried to tame the beast but it was honestly kicking my noob ass. there were times when i felt on top, but there were definitely some 'cry for mama' moments too. so i chickened out in the end since i don't want an onslaught of anxiety.

04:45 - the clon allows me to probe a little deeper without freaking out. still getting a serious 'retro' feel ... maybe this is closer to mesc or lsd than anything else i've done, cuz i don't usually feel any connection to old psych stuff (even tho i like it).

06:30 - still shaking. glad i had benzos on hand. whew.

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this was way more than i was prepared for ... i feel thoroughly trounced.

the body load was disgusting ... comparable to the 2cs that i've tried ... jittery and cold x 10! add to this the onset ... so slow and painful like a creeping death ... yech!

unlike the clarity to thought and speech that i found the 2cs to lend, this fragmented my brain and basically turned me into an itchy schizo. i could see the classic psych signs, and kind of felt the warm base of the spine buzz, but this was in no way lovey or hippy. dark and unrelenting ... jagged and scattered. way too ugly for me.

my body was saying: NO (the whole time)
my brain was saying: WAIT (i've almost got control ... *slips away*)

well ... it's going to take some serious practice to ride this one. and the way the body side went, idk if it's worth the effort. but there's something nice about the challenge it presents lol ... so evil.
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Wow- Sounds like fun
 
2nd attempt @ 1.5mg tonight. went much much better.
-3hrs to takeoff
-started with rise in pulse and body temp
-feeling nervous on the comeup ... remembering the doom and gloom of last time
-subsided in good hard laughter (at jackass2) and a long talk with old friend
-a strong emotional sway with little to no visuals
-same cramp/ache in base of spine tho
-felt like i was walking a fine line ... an even slightly higher dose could have pushed things into unbearably heavy territory

all in all ... i'd say this stuff is more therapeutic than 'fun'. it's a bit of an emotional cold shower. raises my social anxiety considerably with the ego dissolve and cold touch of reality, so probably more of a private thing in the future. overall, a positive experience at this dose.
 
You repeatedly refer to pains and cold.... totally my DOx experiences. I have taken DOI once and DOC twice, and I can very much relate to both the physical and the mental aspects of your reports. The DOx compounds, it seems to me, are pretty strict teachers that take one on a pretty no-frills ride through the darkest nooks and crannies of one's own personal demons and one just has to ride it out, knowing that it'll take time and that the teacher is not in a good mood and that one will come out unscathed if one doesn't piss him off. Basically this teacher doesn't seem to give a damn how the student is feeling and gets kinda tough on him, not least physically.

I really do not know if I am going to touch DOx compounds again, although I could sense that there is potential.
 
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colors said:
2nd attempt @ 1.5mg tonight. went much much better.
-3hrs to takeoff
-started with rise in pulse and body temp
-feeling nervous on the comeup ... remembering the doom and gloom of last time
-subsided in good hard laughter (at jackass2) and a long talk with old friend
-a strong emotional sway with little to no visuals
-same cramp/ache in base of spine tho
-felt like i was walking a fine line ... an even slightly higher dose could have pushed things into unbearably heavy territory

all in all ... i'd say this stuff is more therapeutic than 'fun'. it's a bit of an emotional cold shower. raises my social anxiety considerably with the ego dissolve and cold touch of reality, so probably more of a private thing in the future. overall, a positive experience at this dose.
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I prefer DOI (and 2C-I) in very low doses- DOI at .5mg makes one feel sharper mentally IMO, wakes you up and gives a positive mood push. At that level there were no psychedelic effects.
 
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At these low doses, is there any body load such as that of fully-blown trips (ccardiovascular stuff, etc.)?

How long does a low dose last? If I were to drop around midday, would sleep be an option around midnight? Like, say, for a great day out in the park followed by some dinner and drinks or some rock concert?
 
BreakingSet said:
I prefer DOI (and 2C-I) in very low doses- DOI at .5mg makes one feel sharper mentally IMO, wakes you up and gives a positive mood push. At that level there were no psychedelic effects.
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I find the same to be true with DOC. Actually I've used it more for that than for full-blown trips.

And Ximot, your assessment of the DOX series seems pretty spot-on. They're powerful and strict teachers, for sure. Breakthrough doses are something to behold.
 
1.5mg sounds better than the unkown amount I took. My DOI just adds to my collection, deffinatly not diving into that again.

Are you planning on dosing again colors? If so, at what dose?
 
juice> i think i'm done with it. maybe if i need to punish myself or feel like a hard cry or something. the dark side of it might make it interesting for horror type stuff if i wanted a harsh scare. but i find the stim real uncomfortable ... bad hangover too. think i'll stick with the 2c's for now.

xoroth> is DOI in your immediate future? i'm really anxious to see how you stack it against DOC.

there was kind of this 'sad beauty' to it last night. the emotional stuff is definitely sweeping and majestic ... cathartic i guess.
 
Ximot said:
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At these low doses, is there any body load such as that of fully-blown trips (ccardiovascular stuff, etc.)?

How long does a low dose last? If I were to drop around midday, would sleep be an option around midnight? Like, say, for a great day out in the park followed by some dinner and drinks or some rock concert?
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If you were referring that question to me, the answer is no. The body load from .5mg DOI (for me, mind you) is nonexistant. I wasn't hungry for the duration, so you may very well be a cheap dinner date.

Seems to lubricate social situations pleasantly also. I am the type that does not find words coming easily, yet DOI at museum levels has me seeking out folks to talk to and the conversations have thus far been great.

Unless I have gone out for a beer or to see alocal band, I find sleep comes very easy after 10 hours.
 
Xorkoth said:
I find the same to be true with DOC. Actually I've used it more for that than for full-blown trips.

And Ximot, your assessment of the DOX series seems pretty spot-on. They're powerful and strict teachers, for sure. Breakthrough doses are something to behold.
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I have been sitting on DOC for almost a year, and when it gets around to being on the sample list I fully intend to start at ug levels.
 
BreakingSet said:
Seems to lubricate social situations pleasantly also. I am the type that does not find words coming easily, yet DOI at museum levels has me seeking out folks to talk to and the conversations have thus far been great.
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hmm ... i found the opposite. my speech got slurred and stuttered ... my vocab also completely collapsed. hard to think in terms of words while under it.

what else do you use for a little social boost Break? i'm curious, cuz doi does not fit that bill for me at all.
 
Colors, I would suggest a lighter dose of DOI before you write it off completely (that is unless it just felt horrible toxic or something). 2C-I under 10mg also seems to propel me into social mastery (I mention that because 2C-I didn't do much of anything else above 10mg).

I origianlly tested DOI, not as a social adjunct, but as a potential psychedelic. At .5mg I could definitely feel where more of it would lead, and from that deduction and reading EXP reports decided to never venture past that mark. 2C-I was the same, I tested 15mg first and felt that higher would not in the case of that compound be better. 2C-I at museum levels does feel better than museum level DOI imo.

I'm wondering if anyone has tried low levels of DOI with a tryptamine.
 
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