does zolpidem count as a psychedelic drug?

[Solipsis]

Read the rest of the thread before criticizing (even though you are correct) what multiple people before you have already responded to the same way.

Buproprion that sounds quite out of the ordinary that you are still awake and not hallucinating after such high doses of Z-drugs. Do you have a tolerance or perhaps take other drugs that counteract the effect?
Also, I'm not sure how old you are yourself but the orgy bit is a little T.M.I.

(I merged your two posts)

 

[bupropion]

I did go to sleep or dozed on and off after the very high doses. I have stayed up after taking 30-40mg of Ambien and walked around for over an hour and stayed up for 2 or 3 hours once after taking 5 or 6 Ambien CR. I have taken Ambien and/or benzos for almost 10 years but have not taken extreme doses of sedatives for any length of time. I currently take 3x 50mg butalbital, 2x 350mg Soma, and 0.25mg Halcion. One time I drank soap in the middle of the night after waking in the middle of the night after taking 0.5mg Halcion (which I took for a month or a little more).

I was 20 at the time of the orgy (17 is the age of consent where it happened).

 

[Solipsis]

Curious sedative stack you take... I can only wonder where you might live.

Drinking soap sounds like a classic Ambien tale, fun to read but probably sucks to experience or at least the aftermath. Maybe you forgot the difference between 'appealing' and 'appalling'?

And 3 years difference sounds fine so nvm.

 

[webbykevin]

Because on Dissociatives - you can't tell the truth between visuals and material things, on Psychedelics - you can

I disagree here, I have had experiences on high doses of amanitas and tryptamines that blurred the boundaries between matter and illusion.

 

[BottleOfOxy]

How are benzodiazepines antopsychotics??? I've had hallucinations after 4mg Klonopin, weird thoughts after snorting 20mg Sonata, and have been rambling and inchoherent after 100+mg. Ambien.

^thats just weird effects... and like this entire thread is about: that neat that you had hallucinations after 4mg of kpins. i downed a bottle of xannys and went into the k-hole 8(... jussss kiddin....

untrue- its not a benzo and also benzo's are not antipsychotics so yer talkin crap mate

and yes i apologized above, i've literally had doctors (actually i think it was some dumb RN) tell me that i was right when i asked if ambien was a benzo, because i was going through bbenzo w/d and i could SWEARRR that it kicked me back into w/ds....

REGARDLESS I'M SORRY PEOPLE I WOULD SARCASTICALLY OFFER TO GIVE YOU A WRITTEN APOLOGY.... but i guess this actually is one hahaha

 

[Roger&Me]

Well the term "psychedelic" is really a specifically defined semantic structure. It means: (1) a compound of the classes phenethylamine, tryptamine, or ergoline. (2) That's pharmacology is primarily defined by 5-HT2A partial agonism; and (3) Of those compounds meeting the first two criteria that contain a chiral center, only those in which the (R)-isomer is the more active, are termed "psychedelic".

This excludes the entactogens, dissociative anesthetics, and freaky kappa agonists like salvia; and it damn sure excludes zolpidem. :D That isn't to say zolpidem can't have some psychedelic effects in some people, but it would be an abuse of language to actually call it a psychedelic.

 

[bluedom]

What about the muscarinic receptor agonists? I think if "access to your psyche" is part of the definition of a psychedelic, then you can have psychedelic experiences without the use of the classical psychedelics (which have to do with a specific receptor system). You can access your psyche in many ways from meditation to hypnosis (which may result in an overproduction of your endogeneous psychedelic chemicals, like DMT) or through external chemical substances. It is basically where your conscious mind is pushed aside for a little while and your subconscious can show the conscious mind the illusive nature of our reality, meaning the vagaries of perception.

We don't know that much about the human brain and how it functions biochemically to produce the reality we perceive (which is an illusion of sorts). The psychedelic experience is where you really understand the nature of your reality, that so much of it is a matter of your sense perceiving things based on certain moods.

So anything that leads to a psychedelic experience or a psychedelic state is a psychedelic (noun). With the Z drugs and with cannabis, I feel it requires a combined state to get to the psychedelic experience. With the Z drugs it's actually if you don't sleep easily when you should be that the delirium states are produced at least for me. For the cannabis, it is best when used orally in the form of an edible.

 

[Roger&Me]

So anything that leads to a psychedelic experience or a psychedelic state is a psychedelic (noun)

I disagree. It diminishes the usefulness of the term to dilute its definition like that. As I said before: that isn't to say that cannabis, entactogens, muscarinic agonists, etc. etc. don't have some psychedelic effects. I don't disagree with that at all. But "psychedelic drug" is a formal construct and has a specific definition; and a compound that meets the aforementioned criteria will provide access to an experience that is fundamentally different from, though may share some similarities with, those states accessible through cannabis or amanita muscaria.

 

[ungelesene_bettlek]

and yes i apologized above, i've literally had doctors (actually i think it was some dumb RN) tell me that i was right when i asked if ambien was a benzo, because i was going through bbenzo w/d and i could SWEARRR that it kicked me back into w/ds....

zolpidem (and the other so-called "z-drugs") act on the same receptor as benzodiazepines, nevertheless they are different in chemical structure (and the category "benzodiazepine" is a chemical one).

Well the term "psychedelic" is really a specifically defined semantic structure. It means: (1) a compound of the classes phenethylamine, tryptamine, or ergoline. (2) That's pharmacology is primarily defined by 5-HT2A partial agonism; and (3) Of those compounds meeting the first two criteria that contain a chiral center, only those in which the (R)-isomer is the more active, are termed "psychedelic".

I disagree that the strict definition you give is commonly accepted; many people will use completely different definitions. especially, there are of course lots of people who will stress to take the literal meaning of the word "psychedelic" as "mind manifesting".

What about the muscarinic receptor agonists?

I assume you think muscarine is the active chemical in amanita muscaria? that's an old thesis proven wrong in the meantime. the psychedelic principles in the fly agaric are ibotenic acid and muscimole, which acts as a GABA agonist.