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Does preloading with 5 HTP and Vitamin C (everyday) weaken or strengthen MDMA?

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I am extremely new to the site so i apologize in advance for any dumb mistakes.

Does preloading with 5 HTP and Vitamin C (everyday) weaken or strengthen the intensity and length of an MDMA trip?

SWIM has rolled a total of 3 times.
First time - 1 MDMA Molly
Second time - 2 and a half MDMA Mollies
Third time - 3 MDMA Mollies (although the third did not do much, just made SWIM feel very stimulated and he simply could not sit still.)

My question is as follow, SWIM will be attending a Festival soon (in exactly 2 weeks) and after his last MDMA session (26 days ago) SWIM started taking TWO 100MG 5 htp capsules along with TWO 500MG Vitamin C tablets everynight since roughly his last mdma session (26 gays ago). SWIM decided to do this preloading with 5 htp and vitamin c mainly from reading good things about both and seretonin levels, however recently he is reading things saying that preloading and taking 5 htp and vitaminc C before rolling actually weakens your trip and may shorten it as well?

If so how can this be? Doesnt mdma decrease seretonin count and 5 htp increase it? Doesnt Vitamin C help against neurotoxicity? Doesnt seem like 5 HTP would increase the amount of seretonin in the brain there by giving mdma more serotonin to let out? And doesnt vitamin c mainly seem like a recovery helper that just pretty much helps against damage and tries to help put everything back in order?

Advice is needed because now SWIM does not know weather or not he should stop preloading (2 weeks and 1 day left untill concert) or just continue preloading up until just one weak or a few days before his actual mdma session day at the festival

Any help is greatly appreciated and SWIM is looking for factual and real information and evidence regarding the question. Thank you so so much!
 
My apologies. So what is the proper words or phrase that should be used?
 
no biggie.

"i" or just speak about things in general terms, e.g. "does doing whatever make ecstasy safer?" instead of "i am going to do ecstasy and want to know if i whatever will it be safer?"
 
hydroazuanacaine said:
no biggie.

"i" or just speak about things in general terms, e.g. "does doing whatever make ecstasy safer?" instead of "i am going to do ecstasy and want to know if i whatever will it be safer?"
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I see, will do. Would you like me to rephrase and edit the question or leave it as is for this one first time?
 
Just leave your post as it is :)

Preloading with 5HTP / Vitamin C will not make that big a difference to the strength of your roll/experience (given the time between your usage) - it may however reduce the horrible comedown feelings associated with MDMA use. The Vitamin C is a great daily antioxidant and is reported to help maintain a healthy immune system, again which takes a battering when your using MDMA in a club/festival setting etc.

Don't take the 5HTP on the day your going to use MDMA.
 
Bearlove said:
Just leave your post as it is :)

Preloading with 5HTP / Vitamin C will not make that big a difference to the strength of your roll/experience (given the time between your usage) - it may however reduce the horrible comedown feelings associated with MDMA use. The Vitamin C is a great daily antioxidant and is reported to help maintain a healthy immune system, again which takes a battering when your using MDMA in a club/festival setting etc.

Don't take the 5HTP on the day your going to use MDMA.
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Thanks for the responce!
So basically both 5 htp and vitamin c can be taken (everynight) mainly for their overall benefits but they wont affect the rolling experience negatively in anyway? :\
 
Unless you take the 5htp the day of the roll then it will not negatively affect the experience. I found that when I was using MDMA often that 5HTP helped with the midweek crash so I used to take it on a regular basis. If I was only going to use once a month or once every couple of months I wouldn't even bother taking it as I don't have that bad a comedown.

I personally take Vitamin C on a daily basis as I believe its does me good.
 
Bearlove said:
Unless you take the 5htp the day of the roll then it will not negatively affect the experience. I found that when I was using MDMA often that 5HTP helped with the midweek crash so I used to take it on a regular basis. If I was only going to use once a month or once every couple of months I wouldn't even bother taking it as I don't have that bad a comedown.

I personally take Vitamin C on a daily basis as I believe its does me good.
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Thank you for your advice. i think i shall stop supplementing a week before the actually mdma session and festival to basically be safe. I value the inexplicable feelings that MDMA provides and would hate to lose and not have them due to some misunderstood preloading. I'm basically terrified of not rolling hard enough for long enough. This has never occurred before in my previous rolls. I have always had fantastic experiences but I've read so much material talking about tolerance and things that can weaken your experience and it has really gotten to me. I'm spooked!
 
Tolerance can only occur from using too often - on your next drop it will be one month since you last used. Most people would agree that you will have no tolerance to MDMA by then (you haven't abused or used that much to gain a tolerance) - so you will be good to go :).

Don't forget there is only a certain amount of time that you can actually 'roll' for, after that (as you previously stated) your not really 'rolling' anymore and you feel a different effect from the drug. Some people really enjoy the feeling when others think its a waste of MDMA!

I honestly wouldn't worry about tolerance at all and (as long as you know what your buying is good) I'm sure you will have a great time.

Safe
 
Bearlove said:
Tolerance can only occur from using too often - on your next drop it will be one month since you last used. Most people would agree that you will have no tolerance to MDMA by then (you haven't abused or used that much to gain a tolerance) - so you will be good to go :).

Don't forget there is only a certain amount of time that you can actually 'roll' for, after that (as you previously stated) your not really 'rolling' anymore and you feel a different effect from the drug. Some people really enjoy the feeling when others think its a waste of MDMA!

I honestly wouldn't worry about tolerance at all and (as long as you know what your buying is good) I'm sure you will have a great time.

Safe
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thanks a lot for your advice. God knows i could really use it. Ive been so nervous and panicky lately mainly because this is my first actual festival. My first rolling session was with my girlfriend in a room just us with loud music and lights, my second was at a house with a group of about 8-12 friends with loud music fog lights vicks the whole deal and my third time was at Club space. They were all one month apart maybe even a tad bit more apart. It will be 40 days since i last rolled on the day of the festival.

I don't know if this helps but here is my dosages from all my rolling times and how they have unfortunately increased :/

1st time- 1 MDMA Molly. (rolled pretty much for 4 hours straight)
2end time- 2 and a half mollies. One was taken at the start than another about 10 minutes after and than half of one was taken about 2 hours after the first two doses. (Rolled for a good 4-6 hours)
3rd time - 3 MDMA Mollies (these were a bit stronger than the other mollies i have taken in my first two session, both in terms of the lovey compassionate feeling and the stimulant feelings. I took 2 upon entering the club than took one about an hour and a half to two hours later when i felt like i was coming down. The third just cracked me out more, and yes i am one of those that likes this cracked out feeling, but I'm aiming more toward the love feeling for the festival :D

For the festival i basically have 3-4 Mollies for myself of the same strength as the ones i took at space. (same supplier same molly)
I guess I'm just really worried and nervous cause its my first festival and i want it to be an amazing one so I'm really stressing out and don't wanna roll too softly or too shortly :(

aaahhh I'm gonna lose my mind
 
Honestly it really doesn't matter the dose that you take but more the frequency that you do it! Let's say for argument sake you take one 400mg dose at the start of the month - 30 days later your not going to have a tolerance. Now if you break that 400mg down and take 100mg a week for four weeks then your going to have a bigger tolerance so will need a larger dose to get high/roll.

I personally have a bit of a problem with the term / unit 'Molly' - my understanding is - Molly = A capsule with an amount of chemical inside. There does not seem to be a standard size of capsule and there is certainly no standard for the content!
 
Yeah i understand what your saying, I can say each Molly is 100mg. Im saying this because the capsules seem to be the same size as my 5 htp capsules which are 100mg. Your understanding is correct in the sense that thats what im reffering to and what we call "Mollies" around here. Clear splittable 2 part capsule with fine white powder inside. What we all hope is mdma. and like i said its mainly mdma although i due sense some sort of added stimulant upon taking it. well that relieves alot of stress the whole "doesnt matter the dose but more the frequency"

So you think i'll be fine with one upon arrival and than 1-2 a bit after depending on how i feel and the setting and pretty much the overall outlook of the night?

BTW thank you so much you've been extremely helpful!
 
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