Does one smoke n,n-DMT with a DIRECT flame or INDIRECT flame?

[chrisinabox]

I've been reading contradicting reports so I thought I'd come on here and ask before I tried it for the first time in a few days. I thought one used one of those 'vaporizers' that crystal meth users use to smoke DMT, but am I wrong in this? Do I use a cannabis glass pipe with screen under and over it (the dmt)? Please let me know soon as to the best method to smoking n,n-DMT the most efficiently without wasting material.

Also, this is my very first time with this drug, I've done psychedelic drugs before (LSD, psilocybin mushrooms), is this going to be vastly different, almost too strong? What would be a first time good dose for someone smoking high purity SYNTHETIC white powder n,n-DMT? 10mg? 20-30mg? I want a very light experience my first time so I can get a feel for it before I try to 'breakthrough' as they call it.

Thanks for any advice in advance!!!

 

[sekio]

The most efficient way to smoke freebase DMT is with indirect heat. As for doage, consult Erowid. From memory, 50mg is a breakthrough for most people and 5mg is threshold, so go from there.

Do remember that DMT is rather short lasting and you'll be straight again in an hour if you get completely rocked. Even the peak effects of a breakthrough trip aren't going to last longer than half an hour.

 

[TheAppleCore]

The most efficient way to smoke freebase DMT is with indirect heat. As for doage, consult Erowid. From memory, 50mg is a breakthrough for most people and 5mg is threshold, so go from there.

Do remember that DMT is rather short lasting and you'll be straight again in an hour if you get completely rocked. Even the peak effects of a breakthrough trip aren't going to last longer than half an hour.

Some people break through with as little as 25-30 mg.

Also, interestingly, peak effects are much shorter for me, lasting all of maybe 2 minutes. Maybe I'm the odd one out here, but even after going to Saturn, I'll be 98% of the way back to earth in, like, 15 minutes.

 

[Mitchi]

20-25 mg. and I'm out... Lasting for 3-4 minutes

Synthetic n,n-DMT? wow, great. Make sure it's not 5-meo-DMT

 

[sn23]

Agree with 20-25 mg for full effects. Though the vaporizing technique is crucial. Heating with an indirect flame only is absolutely needed to avoid burning and destroying the spice. On the other hand it is desirable to vaporize it as fast as possible in order to get all in with one breath.

My advise is using a straight glass pipe and something similar to steel wool (metal scouring pads are perfect). Take a bit of the steel wool and compress it a little, so it fits into the pipe (about one cm in length should be okay, but that depends on the doses you want to use). It is important to thoroughly heat the metal until it glows read, pliers are useful for this. Now the metal sponge goes into the front of the pipe.
The spice is sprinkled onto the metal and at first gently heated from the outside just until it starts to melt. It will be sucked into the sponge and will coat the surface of the metal. The device is now ready to use.
To vaporize your N,N-DMT hold the front opening of the pipe over the flame in a safe distance while gently drawing air in. Now slowly raise the flame towards the pipe so the temperature of the hot air rises. At some point you will see vapors being formed, a bit closer than that is the optimal distance between pipe and flame.
Getting this method to work perfectly needs a bit of training, but should work fine within 5 tries. And it is definitely worth the effort, wouldn't want to do it any other way.
Sorry if the description is worded complicated. It is in fact a rather simple process and works pretty good. After figuring this out it kind of hurts me inside every time I see or hear of someone smoking N,N-DMT in a regular cannabis pipe with direct flame. This leads to a inefficient vaporization and burning and produces the famous "plastic" smell. Actually, properly vaporized clean N,N-DMT has a pleasant smell, akin to flowers.

 

[kingme]

regarding the metal sponge thing... is there any chance that some may stick to the metal and not be vaporized and remains there until the next use? can this be a problem with dosing correctly succesive hits?
also, what do you mean by : "a bit closer than that is the optimal distance between pipe and flame"? does it mean that when vapors form you continue to put the flame closer?

and thank you for your description, its quite well put!

 

[sn23]

The idea is to use a carrier with good thermal conductivity and high surface area to provide a high vaporisation rate. The metal sponge fits these criteria. In theory the hot air one draws through the device heats up the metal from the front (I mean the end of the sponge that is closer to the front opening of the pipe). So the spice in the bulk of the sponge begins to vaporize when the temperature of the metal reaches the boiling point of the N,N-DMT. Due to the thermal conductivity all of the metal should have that temperature and the spice should evaporate entirely.
It doesn't really work out that good in this way because vaporizing molecules take up energy and the energy flow likely is too small with that pipe-flame-distance. This is compensated easily by putting the flame a bit closer. To ensure all of the substance was vaporized, it is sensible to get the flame even closer and the sponge hotter until no more vapors appear.
If performed with the appropriate timing/speed one is able to get the whole dose vaporized while drawing one lungful of air/vapors in, resulting in one big hit.

So in short: yes, you continue to slowly put the flame closer and if done in the right way almost nothing should stay on the metal. Many thanks for pointing out that issue, very much appreciated because thats crucial for efficiency and harm reduction. Should have made that clearer.

Some of the vapors will crystallize on the glass between your mouth and the sponge. This can be recycled by either rinsing the device with a suitable solvent and evaporating the solution or by just shoving the sponge from one end of the pipe to the other a few times with a rod and thus scraping up the crystals. (on a side note: these are very nice looking if the N,N-DMT was pure and appropriately vaporized)

As said, a bit of training is needed to master that technique, just take your time and start slowly. Better to not vaporize all in one breath and try again than putting the flame too close and burn it.

 

[QuasiModo]

Shouldn't you just hit it out of a Douglas (meth pipe)? I'd always imagined using 5-meo, n'n-DMT and aMT out of Douglas's perky ass..

 

[Bagseed]

^ i'd imagine there are plenty of ways to smoke or vaporize DMT...

but ime sn23's method sounds pretty good to me, i'd try it that way if i ever get my hands on some DMT :D

 

[Mailmonkey]

I use a vapouriser, i put a gauze in the vape chamber, some already vaped weed powder on top, and then another gauze.

i blow the air through the gauzes/vaped weed at about 90degrees to heat the gauzes, turn the fan off, and sprinkle the spice on the gauze, the spice starts to melt into the gauzes and vaped weed pretty much instantly.....

with the vape chamber OFF the vapouriser, i turn it up to 220degrees, and when temp is reached i put the chamber back on with the whip, put the fan on, and see all the spice melt down and start to produce smoke almost instantly....

Put whip to lips and breathe in deep with the fan blowing through, no prob doing 50mg in one hit...

POW!

I've been messing about with me vapouriser for a while, and my "optimum" technique has changed a few times, but this one seems to be ideal.

 

[bluedolphin]

I've consistently found best results this way:

Remember you only have time to take either two BIG or three reasonable hits.

First two hits I like to take smallish/mediumish hits, with indirect flame, melting the DMT and scorching it a bit.

For the final hit I flame it hard and make sure to get everything that's left because that's the last hit you're going to want to take before you put down or hand off the pipe.

 

[porkstock]

I use a vapouriser, i put a gauze in the vape chamber, some already vaped weed powder on top, and then another gauze.

i blow the air through the gauzes/vaped weed at about 90degrees to heat the gauzes, turn the fan off, and sprinkle the spice on the gauze, the spice starts to melt into the gauzes and vaped weed pretty much instantly.....

with the vape chamber OFF the vapouriser, i turn it up to 220degrees, and when temp is reached i put the chamber back on with the whip, put the fan on, and see all the spice melt down and start to produce smoke almost instantly....

Put whip to lips and breathe in deep with the fan blowing through, no prob doing 50mg in one hit...

POW!

I've been messing about with me vapouriser for a while, and my "optimum" technique has changed a few times, but this one seems to be ideal.

sounds like you might have an arizer extreme?

what type of gauze do you use??

 

[Mailmonkey]

sounds like you might have an arizer extreme?

what type of gauze do you use??

hahaha, yes I do.

I dunno, a gauze is a gauze to me.

I tried the stacking 6 gauzes up and not using any organic matter in there too, that works okay as well, same method as above just with a load of gauzes and no vaped herb.