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Does my high caffeine consumption (and tolerance) affect my roll?

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Maybe this is a stupid theory, but hear me out ;-)

In addition to my MDMA break, I´m on a caffeine break now. The reason being, that my caffeine intake and tolerance has gotten so high, that I don't have any effect off of it anymore. And now I'm thinking, that maybe my high caffeine (and other legal stims) intake could be the reason, why MDMA didn't give me a lift or much euphoria anymore. Just a high tolerance for all kinds of stims.

Here's the story: For the past few month, I've been going to the gym every morning. Starting my day with a pre-workout booster wich contains every legal stim there is, in a very high dosage. 300-400mg caffeine for example. And of course, I keep drinking coffes and cola over the day. That's kinda heavy.

Ever since this started, I noticed that I was absolutely tired at partys, when usually I am just getting started, with a few drinks and loud music...but no, can't keep my eyes open. And lately, even having 3 red bulls wouldn't do jack at that point. I just feel weird and still tired. That's why I´m cutting out caffeine to rebuilt my tolerance...and not ever take that much again, because it completely drained me.

So, is it posible, that I didn't get much of a lift off of MDMA is because I was taking (legal) stims in high dosages every day? I still felt great on it, had an awesome time...but no dancing, no lift and little euphoria. What I was missing is the kind of euphoria I usually get off of stims...even coffee, when I started drinking it and had no tolerance.


Oh, and how long do you guys think I should lay off the coffee? I`m taking a 3-4 month MDMA break, but I heard that your caffeine tolerance resets very fast, a week or two.

Thanks
 
I have never heard of caffeine affecting a roll like this and iv read/researched a shit ton on mdma.

It's not like it's cross tolerant. Some people like it when rolling as it can give extra stimulation/energy rather than just your more clean mdma feel on it's own.

I highly doubt this was the cause.
 
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Perhaps it affects it, but i'm not convinced. MDMA causes psychostimulant effects via mechanisms completely independent of caffeine. Nevertheless, such a high caffeine consumption is never a good idea. I like to consider it as the 'hidden' addictive drug. That is, practically everybody consumes it daily and develops a habit without realising.

Lay off the both caffeine & MDMA for a while, then try MDMA and see what happens.
 
There's a thread on ADD with links to a paper that shows that absorbption of MDMA is increased when co-administering caffeine. So the comeup should be faster and stronger, if there is some effect in humans in vivo, but not weaker or anything.
 
Caffeine suppresses serotonin, this would definitely effect your roll.

Also with the copious amounts of caffeine that you were ingesting with red bull and coffee your body would have developed a tolerance to keep you at that level to function. That's why on the side of the red bull cans (where I am from anyway) they recommend you only consume one per day.

Take a break from the energy drinks and coffee and see how you go after two weeks.
 
Are you taking any over-the-counter fat burners? I was taking OxyElite pro and Folley pointed out that it had DMMA in it which is a stimulant. I noticed that as I continued used with the fat burner it would almost provide the opposite stimulation effect. I was also using for the stimulant purposes. I really don't need to loose any weight. But after about 2 month of oxyelite pro the stimulation was gone and it just made me Tired. Maybe combine something of that nature with mdma and could possibly translate into a more sedated roll. Just a thought
 
afterlyfestyle said:
Caffeine suppresses serotonin, this would definitely effect your roll.

Also with the copious amounts of caffeine that you were ingesting with red bull and coffee your body would have developed a tolerance to keep you at that level to function. That's why on the side of the red bull cans (where I am from anyway) they recommend you only consume one per day.

Take a break from the energy drinks and coffee and see how you go after two weeks.
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Where did you find out what I put in bold?
 
Yeah how it suppresses?
My friends take caffeine caps to roll better and they really do?
I don't think its true.
 
Mazzab said:
Are you taking any over-the-counter fat burners? I was taking OxyElite pro and Folley pointed out that it had DMMA in it which is a stimulant. I noticed that as I continued used with the fat burner it would almost provide the opposite stimulation effect. I was also using for the stimulant purposes. I really don't need to loose any weight. But after about 2 month of oxyelite pro the stimulation was gone and it just made me Tired. Maybe combine something of that nature with mdma and could possibly translate into a more sedated roll. Just a thought
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well yes. I´m fairly sure it hasnt dmma in it, but still a buttload of other stimulants. i´m definitely at a point where caffeine doenst do jack for me anymore. and my guess was, that running on all kinds of stims all the time prevented me from really getting a lift from mdma.

anyway, i´m on a mdma break anyway and after cutting out caffeine for a week, i will limit it to 2 cupy a day. it´s the healthier way to go anyway. but damn, i have crazy headaches from the caffeine withdrawal.
 
Well I stand corrected. The fact that it suppresses serotonin can obv play a roll.

Whilst I think for the regular person it would be inconsequential, your excessive caffeine intake maybe did have an effect.

Be sure to come back and let us know how you get on in future.
 
I stopped doing my preworkout-drink wich was loaded with caffeine and other stuff...and I'm already feeling less exhausted at night and regular coffee started working for me again.

So I guess this was at least a part of the problem :)
 
Hm, might be worth checking in too myself. I have noticed a diminished roll this weekend and my caffeine intake is fairly high. About 6-12 coffee's a day so maybe that can play a part... I REALLY like my coffee though..
 
My only theory is that perhaps the regular, and high, caffeine intake makes you feel accustomed to body & psychological stimulation. So that the MDMA stimulation feels weaker taking something away from the experience. Or perhaps it affects the Norepinephrine release from MDMA which would certainly reduce the high.

Just some thoughts.
 
@Jwills & Deso, sorry I only just saw your posts now, caffeine does more than that I honestly hate it, ill admit ill have a cup once a week but anything more than a teaspoon and the anxiety, jitters and all the crap that comes with it afterward does my head in.
 
dezz said:
Hm, might be worth checking in too myself. I have noticed a diminished roll this weekend and my caffeine intake is fairly high. About 6-12 coffee's a day so maybe that can play a part... I REALLY like my coffee though..
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Dezz that is so bad! Coffee effects our adrenal glands and is full of carcinogens ur to being treated with so many chemicals!

telling everyone don't do caffeine the week (or at least 3 days) before try roll and watch how much better their time will be.
 
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