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Does kratom withdrawal feel terrible for anybody else?

Coming off of a 20-30gpd habit after 1 1/2 years of use was not that bad for me. I tapered a bit & used some Phenibut, then had influenza for 2 weeks & was fine after that.

I was madly in love at that time though, that helped extremely well.

Now I'm 7-8 years in again.
Took ODSMT in way too high doses up to one month at a time, switched back to kratom because the ODSMT addiction was getting kinda dark & expensive.

I kinda want to kick my opioid habit again. Am pretty scared of the months of anhedonia that could await me.
And of the RLS like symptoms I get after about 24h without kratom.

My tactic would be to switch to SR-17018 (which blocks any withdrawal effects & even most craving at 3x30-40mg a day sublingually).
Then taper that.

My life feels way to insecure & fucked up rn though.
I propably couldn't handle months of depression.

Maybe a stationary therapy against depression would help.
 
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My last withdrawal from kratom was pure torture. Note to self, never quit in the winter. The cold feeling is unbearable. I’ve used kratom off and on (mostly on) for 15 years, withdrawn 5 times, and typically had 50-100 g/ day habit. I’d say this last time, it took 5 weeks to get past physical withdrawals (tapering for the first 3 weeks), and another 2 months or so for the depression and anhedonia to go away. Now that I’m off, I miss it, and allow myself to to use once weekly. I hope I can keep it that way, but addiction is a bitch, especially when you’re old and have been struggling with it for your whole life. In retrospect, each withdrawal has been worse than the last. Memantine helped me this time, but it was still painful. Kratom is cool when used occasionally, but, like all MOR agonists, the high disappears and it becomes a constant chore to prevent getting sick. Maybe sr15781 will change that, but somehow I doubt it.
 
Fresco said:
What the heck is sr15781??
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I meant SR-17018, sorry.
It's sn atypical opioid ehich has potential as a substitute / for withdrawals & lowering tolerance. I posted my experiences with it here.

It could potentially be a major help & should be studied extensively.

There's also SR-14968.
 
General alcazar said:
My last withdrawal from kratom was pure torture. Note to self, never quit in the winter. The cold feeling is unbearable. I’ve used kratom off and on (mostly on) for 15 years, withdrawn 5 times, and typically had 50-100 g/ day habit. I’d say this last time, it took 5 weeks to get past physical withdrawals (tapering for the first 3 weeks), and another 2 months or so for the depression and anhedonia to go away. Now that I’m off, I miss it, and allow myself to to use once weekly. I hope I can keep it that way, but addiction is a bitch, especially when you’re old and have been struggling with it for your whole life. In retrospect, each withdrawal has been worse than the last. Memantine helped me this time, but it was still painful. Kratom is cool when used occasionally, but, like all MOR agonists, the high disappears and it becomes a constant chore to prevent getting sick. Maybe sr15781 will change that, but somehow I doubt it.
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oh yeah you get way more sensitive to the cold when you quit after feeling no pain/cold while on (I wouldn't be cold while on high dose kratom during the middle of january with my window wide open). Quitting during winter is much worse (even at mild spring temperatures when I quit I would be freezing).

How long did you use to get withdrawals for that length? seem similar acute/physical length and paws length to me when I quit after 2 years use. Took basically a whole summer.

Im envious you can still use it in moderation once a week. If I could do the same and just use once a week after a very stressful day etc it would increase my quality of life allot but unfortunately I cant moderate my use.
 
Fresco said:
You guys know there's an easy way to withdraw from kratom by using stem & vein powder, right??

Do you want me to write a tutorial on it??
If enough people say yes, I will
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It could for some yeah. For me it still made me crave the real thing. Was like going from drinking vodka to beer.
 
Wow I only ever tried this stuff like 10 years ago once. And since reading how risky it is in terms of dependency it’s kinda scared me away from trying any more of it.
 
canadianpeduser said:
Wow I only ever tried this stuff like 10 years ago once. And since reading how risky it is in terms of dependency it’s kinda scared me away from trying any more of it.
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Yes 10 years ago we had way less info online about its addiction potential/anecdotes of people addicted. I started it exactly 10 years and 7 months ago myself thinking ah well its mild it will be no problem. Unfortunately certain community's and groups of people still promote it as no problem today (either its non-addictive or they say who cares mild withdrawals life caffeine, which isnt true).

Some reddit kratom community's do this and its also being pushed in the fitness industry as a workout supplement. No surprise it works great for working out because it increases energy and reduces pain tolerance just like another opioid (nubain) that allot of bodybuilders got addicted to in the 90s(many of who then moved on to taking heroin).
 
Okiv99 said:
Yes 10 years ago we had way less info online about its addiction potential/anecdotes of people addicted. I started it exactly 10 years and 7 months ago myself thinking ah well its mild it will be no problem. Unfortunately certain community's and groups of people still promote it as no problem today (either its non-addictive or they say who cares mild withdrawals life caffeine, which isnt true).

Some reddit kratom community's do this and its also being pushed in the fitness industry as a workout supplement. No surprise it works great for working out because it increases energy and reduces pain tolerance just like another opioid (nubain) that allot of bodybuilders got addicted to in the 90s(many of who then moved on to taking heroin).
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Ive been on subblocade for about a year now and haven’t had any cravings or withdrawals ; subblocade is a once a month bupe subq injection into the stomach fat . I know it doesn’t tie into the Kratom topic directly but maybe it’s something you can look at in your area if you need it bad enough. Of course hopefully you’d have coverage because it’s not a cheap medication
 
Better quality control is sub's only advantage. I was on 30mg daily as "replacement" for a 100g kratom habit. The effects were purely negative. And the ceiling effect doesn't apply to adverse events. Of course, prescribers won't tell you that.
 
Yeah Kratom wd is a whore..everytime I was in WD for a few days waiting to get paid for hydros or oxy, kratom was always back burner..it truly is similar to tramadol wd in my opinion.

Subs..ugh. These fuckers have improved my life so much, and able to maintain my addict self, I still slip and take this or that BUT I am so ready to quit subs. Too many teeth getting fucked up. Probably going to go a different route and taper, then if still hell I will just grab codeine or hydros, like a 2 week or less amount and take as needed/taper..and see if the good old regular opioid wd will help me get OUT. otherwise I'll go back to sub but volumetric dose it down for a short time.
 
Opana313 said:
BUT I am so ready to quit subs. Too many teeth getting fucked up.
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I keep reading that on these boards. Methadone use to get that thrown at it. Makes me wonder how bad subs is. I always thought that the kratom powder between the teeth would be worse. lol But I hear a lot about subs and wonder if it is totally true about the teeth and by what mechanism it harms them.
 
Fresco said:
You guys know there's an easy way to withdraw from kratom by using stem & vein powder, right??

Do you want me to write a tutorial on it??
If enough people say yes, I will
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I think one issue is most stem and vein I’ve seen has too much actual full leaf in it.

Most vendors I’ve seen just sell their weaker batches as stem and vein.

Getting pure stem and vein seems to be pretty rare these days.

Maybe hirsuta or javanica but it’s never worked for me.
 
It's the citric acid or some crap..I used to just snort a lil chunk then after a major 30mg roxi Binge I decided to take half(4mg) and woke up in the morning and felt FREE..then soon after it occurred that I had to get teeth pulled.
This could be due to the fact I would dose a few hours before going back to bed(and wake up 2hrs later for work) and just fall asleep..I think this did lots of damage since it gave it time to saturate and start the decay.

BUT I've also heard that it ALSO just changes your saliva ..like less saliva/cottonmouth..this probably contributed, not to mention the psuedophedrine on top to get some degree of "buzz" definitely added to the cottonmouth and deteriorating.

I think best thing to do is just sit up and let the sub dissolve, hour later, RINSE THE HELL OUT OF THAT GRILL and floss&brush..but also to keep water on hand as I realized that I need to swoosh water around in mouth every now and again BUT YEAH imagine getting your 3rd tooth extracted and hella fillings 2 crowns and looking at getting false teeth implanted, (and STILL TAKING THAT SUB...JUST kills me) For the front teeth or else it's dentures and I'd rather not..if I could afford it I would get all implants at this point.
 
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