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Does DMT Degrade - Why Didn't I Breakthrough (Sadface)

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AcidTrippin

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Decided to rack (according to scales) .5-6 of DMT that I'd had for at least 6 months but was in a baggie, in another, in tin foil , in dark etc well protected.

Loaded that up into an Eclipse Vape which I normally find works good. Was going for a breakthrough dose and got my first toke, held it in exhaled, went for the second this time the whole DMT trip starting to take over but ya gotta keep persisting, at this point it became a very overwhelming DMT hit and I can't recall myself if I had that 3rd hit but looking back at the vial unless it needs time to recrystalize I got a fair wack if not all. In fact I just went there and tried and got the typical '1 breath' DMT hit where you have the headspace change, visuals starting so really there wasn't much left if it all.

I thought breakthrough was like 40-50mg. Any one any advice here, reckon it's the toking utensil (only other alternative is sticking it in a bong with weed on top - but weed affects psychedelics for me or tin foil over top so no direct flame but heard it just leads to a harsher smoke) but as said don't want the harsher smoke as that makes it even harder to keep going through to the breakthrough.

I'm just very much don't like to over-waste etc, this doesn't come by me often but is it likely just degraded a bit? I can't describe it, I had the intense body high, the intense visuals (I closed my eyes by this point overwhelming geometrical patterns) but just couldn't get to that point beyond. That was say 55-60mg I'd say and it was meant to be great DMT at the time. It's tannish/biege, wondering should I just do the full 80mg next time and maybe have an assistant to make sure that by the full DMT effects stage I'm still keeping with what's needed.

Had a DMT trip, but nothing like I expected. Wondering if next time I'd be better just raking 80mg and dmt does degrade faster than expected? Reason being I want a breakthrough, not a blackout.

EADD IS MUCH BETTER THAN PSY FOR DEGRADING ETC ADVICE - REASON IM ASKING HERE.
 
Yes, DMT degrades quite rapidly. 6 months you have next to no chance of your desired result. Even 3 months is pushing it IME.
 
That's the common knowledge, but I still get great effects from stuff 4 years old?? Who knows...

Acid I explained in t'other thread my experiences with DMT, but a real breakthrough has always been rare for me....I get the pretty colors and whatnot at first but then amnesia at least 80% of the time. This isn't too uncommon. Keep trying!
 
Its the smoking method mate. I started to get problems where I could not breakthrough even though I was using the same product which was mind blowing -I used various pipes and methods and worked out that how you smoke it dictates the power of the trip. Vapes never really worked that well and any pipe with small chambers and thin pipes would also hamper the trip. I was surprised how much of a large factor the smoking method is, it can be the difference between being in full control and having light visuals and feeling on the edge of something great or being blasted through hyper space. I tried many and I mean many pipes and methods and the best one was using a crude plastic inhaler with a tin foil gauze and ash, not ideal but allows a breakthrough each and every time -1 hit quitter trust. I think narrow metal pipes/tubes make the dmt re-crystalize much quicker and you get less of the product. Try the inhaler method and you will be blown away I assure you.
 
As has been said, yes it does... but not consistently - varies a lot from batch to batch. Also, breakthroughs are never guaranteed. Elusive beasts so they are. I've still yet to have one at all. One day...
 
i think i may have some degraded dmt. First few trips were fine then months later i vaped some and got a weird uncomfortable strobe light like throbbing effect in my head which put me off trying it again from the same batch.
 
Shit. I hadn't considered DMT degrading. I have what I thought was about 100mg, actually looks like closer to a half gram. It's been sitting in a wee tin for fucking months now. Probably about 6 since I last smoked any of that batch, could be up to a year since I actually acquired it.

It better not be fucked :(
 
darkinthepark said:
I tried many and I mean many pipes and methods and the best one was using a crude plastic inhaler with a tin foil gauze and ash, not ideal but allows a breakthrough each and every time -1 hit quitter trust. I think narrow metal pipes/tubes make the dmt re-crystalize much quicker and you get less of the product. Try the inhaler method and you will be blown away I assure you.
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Is this what you mean, @4:00, using a 2 litre plastic bottle and aluminium foil? Ive heard that is really bad for you?
 
1200ug said:
Is this what you mean, @4:00, using a 2 litre plastic bottle and aluminium foil? Ive heard that is really bad for you?
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Nah I mean using the small plastic inhalers we get in the uk, failing that make a crack can pipe but use lots of ash and hit it hard -not that same but better than wasting it in a shit pipe or vape.
 
Never had a problem getting a decent hit from a glass pipe, layered

I reckon the technique of extraction is a main factor of wether its gonna break you through or not, dunno why, that could possibly be a load of shite but ive smoked a lot of diff batches
 
I get the same variance and elusiveness if breaking through from extracted or synthetic DMT...and I been at it 20 years, and probably smoked it 100+ times...I think it is just the nature of the beast, or individual...

"The Machine" is far and above the best way to smoke DMT...there is a thread on BL somewhere about them and how to make them..only put you out a few bucks,, errr......quid, excuse me ;)
 
I've had DMT stored poorly for years and it still works fine. I only use oral DMT with larger doses so perhaps any alleged "loss of potency" is less noticeable.

Then again, how confident are we DMT actually does degrade? Everyone claimed "Al-lad degrades in like a month dude so use it quick" - I've had some for years and it's as potent now as it was the day it was laid.
 
Well I had no idea what I was saying was common knowledge or received wisdom. I'm just telling you my experience. Which is why I put IME.

Maybe some people have different ideas about what DMT breakthrough is.
 
Dont see how people can have a different idea on what a breakthrough is, a different experience perhaps
 
StoneHappyMonday said:
Well I had no idea what I was saying was common knowledge or received wisdom. I'm just telling you my experience. Which is why I put IME.

Maybe some people have different ideas about what DMT breakthrough is.
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I cant see that possible, if you are questioning if you have broken through or not then you most certainly have not. Visual patterns and slight sense of disscociation if not a breakthrough. Breakthrough if having your soul blasted through the eye of creation and flying through various stages of dimentions while different entities marvel in your in your experience, anything less if not a breakthrough. Like I said guys its smoking method that plays a massive part and stops breakthroughs, unless you are using a badly synthed product.
 
It can't just be smoking method. And IME, and that's all I'm saying, IME I have broken through, and then not, on the same synth. So how can that be bad synth? I broke through on NEW product. Up to three months later, same gear, no breakthrough.

That's my experience.
 
I've never broken through at all but have noticed significant degradation over time which appears to be a consistent effect. However, just to complicate things further, it's not necessarily consistent across batches. If a batch degrades it gets less and less potent the longer you leave it... but not all batched show such significant degradation. More do than don't in my (somewhat limited) experience though.
 
Yo while we are on the topic, i have some DMT and iv made "The machine" as people like to call it, never tried DMT before though.

Was thinking of trying some later when the folks have gone to sleep as i have work off in the morning. Will it smell my room out bad? I just have 10mg ready to get a taste for it then gonna go for a breakthrough. Can i expect much from 10mg?

EDIT: Tried a variety of psychedelics but have heard DMT is something else! So i am a bit scared haha, not going to freak out am i?
 
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