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Does believing in Evolution say a lot about you

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Did you read mine? Did you see the odds of a chance formation. 10 to the 500 , that's a lot of zeros there. ANYTHING above 10^50 is considered a mathematical improbability

Ok, seem like your a genuine nice person
so we can jus agree to disagree

There ain't going to be no mind changing going on here.
For real thx for response
 
mabzie55 said:
Nope.

Evolution and creationism aren't mutually exclusive.

In fact, they don't even refer to the same thing.
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Once again this.

It's pretty dumb to not believe in evolution at least to some extent as it can be observed.

But that doesn't discredit creationism.
 
mabzie55 said:
But that doesn't discredit creationism.
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Well, it pushes creationism further into the margins of probability. And that's the problem creationists have with it. It fills the gap of knowledge once occupied by god. A gap that just gets narrower and narrower and makes creation myths less and less likely, meaning that to maintain the myth one has to be more and more insane.
 
Uh oh!

The theories of evolution and the Big Bang are real and God is not “a magician with a magic wand”, Pope Francis has declared.

Speaking at the Pontifical Academy of Sciences, the Pope made comments which experts said put an end to the “pseudo theories” of creationism and intelligent design that some argue were encouraged by his predecessor, Benedict XVI.

Francis explained that both scientific theories were not incompatible with the existence of a creator – arguing instead that they “require it”.
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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...snt-a-magician-with-a-magic-wand-9822514.html

Even the pope believes in evolution and the big bang theory.


mabzie55 said:
Once again this.

It's pretty dumb to not believe in evolution at least to some extent as it can be observed.

But that doesn't discredit creationism.
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Depends what you consider creationism to be.. I'm pretty sure creationism involves the earth being around 6000 years old, animals being made as they are and, according to Ken Ham and his army of fools, dinosaurs lived alongside humans..

As well as the rest of the tripe in Genesis.

They are mutually exclusive. One says something that completely contradicts the other. They are not compatible.
 
Creation myths were never intended to be literal. Those who believe in "creationism" literally are as misguided as those who dismiss it because it doesn't hold up in a literal context. Arguing against the realism of mythological allegories is like shooting dead fish in a barrel with a bazooka.

A popular argument against the story of Noah's Ark is: there are too many species to fit on the boat. People think they're clever when they point out the "inaccuracies" in the Bible, but they're totally missing the point (in the exact same way, ironically, as the literal fundamentalists they despise).

The Bible is an collection of stories, not a collection of historical accounts.

Evolution and creationism aren't mutually exclusive.
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Evolution and literal interpretations of creation myths (Christian or otherwise) on the other hand, are mutually exclusive.

Even the pope believes in evolution and the big bang theory.
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Because he belongs to neither side of this ridiculous "debate".
 
Seems he's openly sitting on the side of the evolutionists in this debate, actually.

A popular argument against the story of Noah's Ark is: there are too many species to fit on the boat. People think they're clever when they point out the "inaccuracies" in the Bible, but they're totally missing the point (in the exact same way, ironically, as the literal fundamentalists they despise).

The Bible is an collection of stories, not a collection of historical accounts.
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I think you missed the point.
 
from the link:

"The Big Bang, which today we hold to be the origin of the world, does not contradict the intervention of the divine creator but, rather, requires it.

Evolution in nature is not inconsistent with the notion of creation, because evolution requires the creation of beings that evolve.”
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He both believes in creationism and evolution.

It is a common mistake to confuse creationism and young earth creationism.
 
I'm sorry I should have said "young earth creationists"..

Young earth creationism and evolution are mutually exclusive. They cannot co-exist.

This thread was about evolution being wrong, not creationism being right..

So again - The pope was sitting on our side on this one.
 
ForEverAfter said:
Creation myths were never intended to be literal.
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Pretty sure they were. And if they weren't (because, hell, neither us really know the intent of the bronze age tribes that concocted them) it's a moot point because they were accepted as literal for thousands of years by the institutions that represent the respective religions.
 
^ Was wondering when you'd show up ;) <3

It's amazing the level of denial and mental gymnastics people must go through to hold on to the belief of their faith.
 
Young earth creationism is the literal interpretation of a particular creation myth.

Pretty sure they were.
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You don't understand theology.

Most atheists refuse to understand it, yet they love discussing it.
 
Yes.. I know.

And I'm sure you understand it better than the billions of theists out there?

Like bit said.. It's irrelevant what their creators meant by them.

Just how do you KNOW the original authors intent?
 
If Christians believed in young earth creationism generally, there would be no point differentiating "young earth creationists" from "Christians".
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If theists believed in literal interpretations of creation mythology, there would be no point differentiating "holy men" from "lunatics".

Your assertion that religious people all literally believe in their respective mythological allegories is contrary to almost every interaction I've had with religious men and women.

Christians generally regard creationists (YEC) as idiots. Hence: the Pope's comments.

If either of you had ever talked to a priest about what the stories of the Bible mean, then you'd realize this. You are uninformed.

I'm sure you understand it better than the billions of theists out there?
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No, most of them understand it quite well. I do, however, understand the stories better than you.
 
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Did i say all christians or even most christians are young earthers? I think you'll find i said no such thing.

And I'm pretty sure there's a huge following of literal readers out there but hey, if your handful of encounters think otherwise they must all think like that, huh?.. You called them lunatics, not me.

If you read my posts in this thread carefully i am addressing creationism and evolution.. Not christians or christianity..

Here, take a look;.
rickolasnice said:
As for the question in the OP, you can't tell a thing about someone by their belief in evolution.. in the UK it's accepted fact not just among outspoken atheists, but atheists, agnostics and theists alike.

http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2006/mar/21/religion.topstories3

However; you can tell a lot about someone who believes in creationism. They are always religious.. and outspoken creationists are almost always Christian (Americans) or Jehovahs Witnesses.
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And how do you know what my views are or beliefs are on the stories?

How can you assert you understand them better when you have no idea of my understanding of them? How do you know your interpretation of them is the true interpretation? The one the author intended? You don't.. neither does any priest. I understand other peoples interpretations of them though, and many of them are literal. Add Kirk Cameron on facebook and talk to his thousands of followers and tell me they don't believe in the literal reading.

I've spoken to many religious folk.. some don't take the stories literally while others do.. There are Jehovahs Witnesses outside my local station and many others handing out creationist leaflets and books entailing their belief of literal reading.. I've got many of their books..

Then there are the many people who don't believe the young earth creationist myth but still believe the literal interpretation of other stories.

You are stating that I implied ALL christians read the bible literally and are all creationists, are you not?

I hope your interpretation of scripture is a lot better than that of my posts. (Here's a hint.. read them literally)
 
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Did i say... most christians are young earthers?
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bit_pattern implied it and you agreed with him.

bit said:
it's a moot point because they were accepted as literal for thousands of years by the institutions that represent the respective religions
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your response said:
And I'm sure you understand it better than the billions of theists out there?

Like bit said.. It's irrelevant what their creators meant by them.
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if your handful of encounters
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I have spoken to numerous representatives of all the major religions in great length. I am devoted to all religions and I've spent a lot of time with priests, holy men and monks. More than a "handful" of encounters, is my point.

And how do you know what my views are or beliefs are on the stories?
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This is all I need, to make that conclusion:

It's irrelevant what their creators meant by them.
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It's not irrelevant what their creators meant, nor has it been lost.
 
Where did i imply that all christians are young earth creationists and read the bible literally?

Are you saying there aren't masses of people that believe Jesus was born of a virgin, performed miracles, was crucified and the rose from the dead?

Source please.

No offence mate but this lil thing we got going here is boring the hell out of me.. so I'm out..

<3

If you'd like to read up my understanding of the New Testament feel free..

http://www.bluelight.org/vb/threads/703413-The-New-Testament-What-I-Now-Know

My understanding has altered slightly on some parts but i can't be fucked to edit it..
 
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