Does anybody LIKE Opiate Withdrawal?

[monstanoodle]

it ain't quite as "normal" as you remember it.

Yea, as sometimes it's been so long since you experienced "normal" and sober that you forget what it's actually like. Then "normal" feels alien

 

[Opiatesrarely]

What's all this bullshit about the transition from WD's to "not" WD's being bliss?

The 1 - 2 months after acute withdrawal is like a very slow train to "normal town"...only when you finally get there, it ain't quite as "normal" as you remember it.

In some parts of WD, I feel bliss. Especially when listening to a very good song, thinking about the future, or in a good conversation with somebody.

Somebody once explained it to me as "When you quit the drug, your body is coming back to homeostasis, slowly, but at the same time there are pulses of feel-good chemicals like dopamine, serotonin, and endorphins that start working again. It is the initial 'on switch' which makes people think, "Well, why didn't anyone tell me sobriety is this good?!" But really, once the acute WD ends, and then the slow transition to natural homeostasis is happening, most of the time you are feeling off, with other chemicals that take a long time to start working again, or to level off to normal."

Even once the real normal is reached, you may not be as normal as before, as 6/7 says. You may still have cravings, but deff not as strong as the 1-2 months AFTER the acute WD symptoms have passed.

I believe the mind is more severely affected in a physical+mental dependency once you are WDing, rather than just a physical dependency as in pain patients who don't get high.

 

[Doctor Pillgood]

I like the loose stool because of how much constipation occurs during a long binge.

 

[DangerChamber]

I was actually thinking about this today, whether or not I liked them (in hindsight, of course), but my conclusion was that the main thing I like about w/d is how fucking good it feels when you get another fix. Doing a shot when I was dopesick was like going from the shittiest feeling to the best feeling, and it was just so relieving to score when I was ill.

The only other good thing about withdrawing is it serves as a reminder when I think about starting opiates again. But thinking about the high usually overshadows thinking about any negatives associated with using.

But besides that, no, fuck that shit. I hate being a slave to that shit.

HOLY SHIT

Was JUST thinking about this too. It's the only thing I miss about being a junkie. Getting a fix is the best shit in the world.


That, and that kick-the-morning-off dose. lol

 

[shake]

OP congrats on making the stupidest thread in OD for the week. noone enjoys wds period.

 

[xxkcxx]

Question: I look back at my opiate withdrawal, and even though I hated it and was miserable at the time of it, I feel like I miss it or am nostalgic toward the time spent and activities done (and in fact, usually the symptoms of it) while in opioid withdrawal.
Well, for that matter, I don't appreciate or enjoy things as much when I am doing them as when I look back upon them or think about them, referring to anything, not just drugs, but drugs as well.
Does anybody have the same feelings? -- or have I never been through a hellish-enough WD to despise it? (although I have had strong feelings of self-loathing, depression, crying, and "I'm never fucking doing this shit again!!" before).

I'm going to say "yes" to this.

Honestly you say you did it for 15 days "with a few odd days off in between". I'm surprised you withdrew at all.

If you experienced real wds, I'm talking the liquids coming out every hole kinda wds, you wouldn't be nostalgic for it. There is a reason many people keep using ONLY to stave the wds off--cause they suck.

 

[John_Burrows]

Some of you need to remember that there are varying degrees of wd - not everyone is at the point where wd equals hell.

I've been plugging roughly 24mg of dilaudid a day for a year now and I guess I'm lucky in the sense that (from what I hear) dilaudid wd aren't as bad as other opiate AND I'm only using a moderate amount.

Now I don't know how I'd feel if I went cold turkey since the longest I've gone without during the year has been 12 hours. Maybe after 48 I'd be in a hellhole, but trust me, even after 12 I'm irritable, have no energy, generally feel like crap and just want to go home and fix.

That being said, based on the worst wd there is, I'd say mine is probably no worse than a 5 on a scale of 1 to 10.

So when I fix, I'm not going from feeling like I want to die to just feeling like shit - I'm going from feeling crappy to feeling a little better than normal. When that transition happens over about 20 minutes, your damn right it feels like bliss!

Over the holidays I binged a little and was taking enough that when it was time for my next hit there were enough opiates in my system that I felt little to no wd. So when I used, I felt no change.

This week I've slowly tapered my dose down to where after 6 or 8 hours, I def feel the onset of wd. And after 10 or 11 hours (the time beween my morning fix and the next one when I get home after work), I feel it quite strongly.

It's the pressence of the wd that makes the hit feel so good so yes, in a sense, I do like the feeling of wd - it gives me something to contrast the feeling of my fix!

 

[xxkcxx]

^ you dont like the feeling of wd, you like the feeling of coming out of wd.


Liking wds means liking the physical and psychological symptoms.

 

[Cyb]

Going to agree with xkcx here. Liquids out of all the holes in one way or another, while crying or screaming into a pillow, wishing you had enough energy to shoot yourself (or at least put on another few layers to warm your chilled bones.... and take off just as many layers to cool your boiling blood), I need not even go on.

No one enjoys withdrawals.
/thread

 

[Heroin Girl]

IMO if you like withdrawal, you're either not really w/ding or you're confusing sobriety and withdrawal. And I completely agree that the hit that gets you out of withdrawal feels omgunfuckingbelivable, but enjoying being high again isn't the same as enjoying w/d.

Even at the beginning of my opiate use, w/d was absolute hell - seizures, RLS, delirium, depression, headache, vomiting, diarrhea, insomnia, hot flashes, joint pain, muscle spasms. Does that really sound fun to anybody? Admittedly, my w/d is more severe than most peoples' but my point still stands.

I'll try not to repeat what everyone has said, but would any of you actually voluntarily go through withdrawal? If you had a bundle of H (or your opiate of choice), would you honestly just quit CT and enjoy the withdrawal?

.....if so, feel free to send me your extra opiates.

 

[Musmaro]

OP congrats on making the stupidest thread in OD for the week. noone enjoys wds period.

Seriously. That's stupidest fucking question anyone could possibly ask.

 

[mylilfriend]

Not Me!!

Withdrawing from opiates is like swine flu x1000. A good friend told me to look at it this way: I spent nearly 10 years in active addiction, with the last 5 completely consumed by pills and heroin, so for me to have to go through 3-4 weeks of misery for the 5 years I spent a slave to addiction, I come out with the better end of that deal for sure! I have had suboxone to help me through my detox process, but for the first week my skin crawled, I was constantly having to stretch and shake out my legs and arms, I didn't sleep but for dozing off for an hour or so in the afternoons (my sleep pattern is stilll really off, but I do sleep) I was extremely emotional-- either crying or pissed off usually-- Couldn't eat much, sweated like a pig, and my thoughts consisted of craving drugs. Pills, perferrably, but shit I wanted to do anything I could. I left the state I spent my whole life in and stayed with my very sober sister 850 miles away to get clean. I wanted to get high so bad, and had I been in my home state I know I would've, but I was on the verge of death, so I got as loaded as I could and had a friend drive me 850 miles away. I've been clean for 25 days now, and I do not have any physical symptoms except for a little anxiousness and skin crawliness when my suboxone starts to wear off. I don't obsesss about getting high anymore-- it's amazing how clear and concise my thoughts have become, or returned to being anyway. 25 days ago I thought the end of the world had come and I was stuck in purgatory, but I can honestly say that with the help of suboxone and NA (i know it's not for everyone but it works for me) I'm on my way to getting my life back on track. Withdraw is the worst thing I've experienced, next to being in jail and going through withdraw, and now that I've gotten through the worst of it, knowing I'll have to go through this all again is one of the main reasons I continue to not give in to the comfort of what was...... If withdraw is something you enjoy, let me know exactly how that happens and what the joy feel like. It was hell for me!!

 

[Opiatesrarely]

I don't like the idea of someone reading someone else saying "withdrawals were enjoyable" and get the wrong idea, however unlikely that may be.

Of course. I don't want this happening either.
There are positives and unintended or unforseen negatives in every thread on Bluelight - Like others have said on this website, "Being addicted to dope makes normally unimaginable things and actions COMPLETELY fine when you are inthe throws of addiction or trying to get a fix."

My point is that simply the act of READING Bluelight's threads for long enough makes a lot of this content compeltely normal and fine in the eyes of the reader, which is an unintended effect of Bluelight.

OP congrats on making the stupidest thread in OD for the week. noone enjoys wds period.

Seriously. That's stupidest fucking question anyone could possibly ask.

... and then I wonder why there are 100+ posts on this thread?

Bluelight is about harm reduction and exposing everything about drugs to the user.
Thank you. Your opinions add to the discussion!

 

[Free_Man**]

^ nicely played

 

[HdoubleODeezy]

i cant believe this thread is still alive..

 

[xxkcxx]

... and then I wonder why there are 100+ posts on this thread?

Honestly, it's because like 99% of them are mocking how ridiculous the idea of enjoying opiate wds are. There is no REAL discussion going on here. There is no debate over pharmacology or even psychology.

There are just a bunch of people saying "this is crazy; wds suck."


IMO, it should be closed.

 

[HdoubleODeezy]

^ +1

 

[sixpartseven]

Honestly, it's because like 99% of them are mocking how ridiculous the idea of enjoying opiate wds are. There is no REAL discussion going on here. There is no debate over pharmacology or even psychology.

There are just a bunch of people saying "this is crazy; wds suck."


IMO, it should be closed.

I'm gonna have to agree. This thread has run it's course, and I think it's been pointed out enough times now that stating you like/enjoy withdrawals was based on confusing withdrawals for sobriety. Just because you like sobriety and sobriety follows withdrawals doesn't mean you like withdrawals.

Closed.