Dodgy pills in Sheffield, UK

[royalp]

Went out with friends to a rave friday night, left around 4am with some my friends but 2 stayed there.

Heard news saturday morning that they was in intensive care and gone into a coma.
One has come out of his coma now and is okay i think, the other has liver and kidney failure and is still asleep as of now.

I heard they took something when we left only described as 'little green pills'.

I suspect these were PMA and the lads must have thought they was MDMA.

Just a warning to anyone in the area.

 

[RoyMunson]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-22666185

 

[futura2012]

I have been reading up about PMA and PMMA recently.

Its unlikely to be in UK pills as its quite a lot of hassle to produce not as simple as some seem to think.

Its made using Anise Oil and goes through exactly the same processes you would use to make MDMA. identical in every sense!!

I can understand why someone would make it in say somewhere like Australia where getting hold of a precursor like safrol is hard to obtain and everyone there pays a premium price for pills.

Yet in UK pills are cheap as chips and readily available from Europe.

It would seem more logical to be some kind of cheap RC where by perhaps they had got the dosing fucked up something like that.

 

[Clocktower]

PMA pills appeared in the UK earlier this year. Be careful folks! The words "green" and "heart" seem to keep appearing with them but that doesn't mean other colors or stamps are safe.

 

[bogman]

green pills linked with deaths in Wales, Portsmouth, Ireland last few months. I sent a green apple to be lab tested, 3 weeks ago now so should have results back soon.

 

[RoyMunson]

green pills linked with deaths in Wales, Portsmouth, Ireland last few months. I sent a green apple to be lab tested, 3 weeks ago now so should have results back soon.

Where do you send them to? ecstasydata?

 

[futura2012]

PMA has been found in numerous UK pills

Of course its speculation but I think this is a slight over exageration. When you say numerous how many batches exactly do you mean? under 10? in the grand sceme of things its still pretty rare and unusual.

Im not suggesting its safe im just saying not so common. Just cause someone passes out from a pill we cant just assume PMA or PMMA.

It's a bit dodgy to say you don't think its pma based on your general knowledge of pills and md over here when in fact people are dying.

Just cause people die from it I still stand by what I said I think its an unusual compound to be in a pill in uk more likely to be an RC of some sort. Of course its all speculative at the moment all we know is its a green pill and a couple of people have been frazzled by it.

The PMA is often found in pills as a result of incomplete reaction of PMK, a different precursor to mdma than safrole. I know that you meant well though .

Not correct.

Trace amounts of PMMA are often found in pills because of a of an impurity found in safrol called Estragole. The estragole has a similiar structure to PMMA but is also an analog of safol thus is carried through all the synth processes until MDMA and a trace amount of PMMA is made.

PMK is an intermediate actually often made from Safrol better known as MD-P2P. It is the last stable molecule present until MDMA is made. You would not make PMMA or PMA from MD-P2P because it has a methylenedioxy ring and neither PMA or PMMA has a methylenedioxy ring

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3,4-Methylenedioxyphenylpropan-2-one
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methylenedioxy

PMA or PMMA more likely comes from Anise Oil converted to Anethole.

Its attractive to make because Anise Oil is much easier to obtain than Sassafras/Safol however it still requires all the processes that you would use to make MDMA so unless you have a drastic shortage of Safrol then unlikely someone in Europe would bother.

Of course this doesnt mean its impossible to find PMA/PMMA in Euro pills just unusual.

 

[Folley]

Its unlikely to be in UK pills as its quite a lot of hassle to produce not as simple as some seem to think.

A large number of experienced chemists disagree with you. It doesn't really matter how easy you think it is to make, however. The important part is that it IS being sold, and people are getting seriously injured from it.

 

[futura2012]

A large number of experienced chemists disagree with you. It doesn't really matter how easy you think it is to make, however.

I never said it was easy??? I said its no more or less easy to make than MDMA because the processes used would likely be identical. Theres nothing to disagree with as this is a simple fact Estragole / Anethole is a direct analog of safrol.

The important part is that it IS being sold, and people are getting seriously injured from it.

I never said it was a safe compund just rather speculative to assume because someone has passed out from a pill its PMA or PMMA.

Far more likely to be a sketchey RC of some sort.

 

[Folley]

I never said it was easy??? I said its no more or less easy to make than MDMA because the processes used would likely be identical. Theres nothing to disagree with as this is a simple fact Estragole / Anethole is a direct analog of safrol.



I never said it was a safe compund just rather speculative to assume because someone has passed out from a pill its PMA or PMMA.

Far more likely to be a sketchey RC of some sort.

It's not like MDMA is hard to make to begin with... it's a relatively easy drug to make if you have the required chemicals..... in Britain, Sassafras trees are not as common which makes safrole and similar chemicals a lot harder to source. I have heard from several sources that PMMA is VERY easy to make, including some who have whipped up their own batches of the drug for whatever reason.

 

[futura2012]

It's not like MDMA is hard to make to begin with... it's a relatively easy drug to make if you have the required chemicals.....

I guess it depends on what you call not hard to make.

Your gonna need glassware, heaters, vacuum source, stirrers, stands etc. Your gonna need a range of chemicals ranging from basic chemical orders to some stuff that questions will be asked if you dont have underground sources. Your going to need at least some kind of experience at running various reactions some under vacuum I guess this could either come from trial and error or some kind of college training, your conna need a premisis where by strong fumes and smells are going to go unnoticed, Finally if you get caught with pretty much anything beyond Sassafras your going to get busted for intent to manufacture and distribute.

Im not sure if I would classify this as easy - moderate > hard springs to mind If it were legal things would be a lot easier.

in Britain, Sassafras trees are not as common which makes safrole and similar chemicals a lot harder to source.

I dont think the lack of trees is the problem.

The UK restricted chemical list is here:

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploa...file/98032/wallchart-update-February-2012.pdf

Although Safrol is watched Sassafras is not. You could also consider Camphor Oil as a source of safrol. Getting this kind of thing in quantity wouldnt be so difficult in UK. Particularly as all of this stuff has a legitimate use in aromatherapy oils.

Of course care would have to be taken when purchasing Sassafras in quantity but its not impossible to source.

I have heard from several sources that PMMA is VERY easy to make, including some who have whipped up their own batches of the drug for whatever reason.

It really is not a lot different to MDMA manufacture so I would say VERY easy is not the case.

The only advantage is sourcing Anise Oil is easier than Sassafras at least in some countries.

To be honest I actually doubt much MDMA is manufactured in UK as they really do have it nailed in Holland and the Eastern block countries in such bulk. The main reason for this are the penalties if you get caught are a lot less harsh than UK.

In UK from what I can see pressing operations are more common where by the MDMA is sourced abroad and pressed here. Tablet presses are very easy to source here and nothing like the hassle of manufacturing MDMA.

If you get caught manufacturing here you are in a lot of trouble.

 

[futura2012]

My mistake on the pmk. You definitely know your stuff, and I'm not saying there are loads of pma pills circulating here but there have been an unusually large number of deaths here recently, including some people friends know etc.

I see what you mean. Of course we dont want deaths and im not saying people shouldnt be cautious at all times.

Regardless of the rogue chemical type its more the reason to perform tests.