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LightTrailz said:
It took me 8 years , yes 8 years to get a doctor who would give me anything stronger than tylenol 3 except for severe jams/dislocations of my knee from a ski accident that has ruined both my joints and my back ..

ive been in and out phisio since i was 13 and only started to get constant narcotics when my chiropractor let my doctor know that theres no fixing my back thats spun more than a corkscrew..

being on narcotics isnt all its cracked up to be and if your young its going to be that much harder for you to get them because they know what most people our age like to do with them , regardless if your in pain or not .. not to mention waking up every morning feeling every injury you have ever had until you take your dose isnt great either .

and if you looked at me you wouldnt even guess how fucked up my body is and judging someones pain level based on there physical appearance is insulting to say the least just because your pissed you cant get your GP to scribe you stuff.
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Im sorry to hear that Trailz. Until I can get an XRAy or MRI and this pain relieved, I would like some narcos. It's frustrating when you're sitting in class and you have a long day with labs and all and you're in constant pain, it's hard to pay attention. My back is really messed up, Im considering a chiropractor because all the years of powerlifting (mostly deadlifts) really left my back screwy, this is also the cause of my knee.

I also have other minor problems, I have to constantly crack my elbows, and neck, and I mean constantly, every few seconds. Also I have to flex my throat area constantly because it feels like it's sooooo tense and I have limited motion in my neck if I don't do so. I just feel like a wreck... I don't want to be on narcos for a long time, just until this gets fixed. And hopefully it can, no offense trailz.
 
Ohhh believe me i know exactly what thats like .. my pain had a big influence on alot of my college grades , not being able to concentrate .. haveing to purchase street side .. its a pita..

and i know the neck feeling the way my back is twisted a portion of my lower skull pushes against the side of my cerebral cortex at the back of my neck and causes massive migraines on almost a daily basis .. another reason im on the medication .

and i much prefer a long acting medication over the short ones because of that peaks and valleys shit and i can tell the moment ive gone too long with the medication because its as if all my joints are on fire and the migraine from hell comes on .. sensitivity to light , spasticity increases in my lumbar region and me and my bed become best friends ..

if your going to go on them i would strongly , strongly recommend that you use them only as needed and try not to get in the habit of using them for anything ..

not trying to preach or shit just from personal experience. and ive also done the xray and mri thing to death , if you get those done it will give you another leg to stand on .. just hope they show something lol
 
I see... yeah I'm pretty sure it'll show something, legitimately, my shoulder is really screwed up. I can't throw overhand whatsoever, or it's just a big sign from my body saying: "DONT DO THIS EVER AGAIN!" I see him on monday, I try to go streed side, only enough to hold me over, I don't want to use what I don't need, really, and it's hard to find it around here. I don't know but 1 person that can get something, and he is having a hard time. umph.... Well I don't know where all these neck things are coming from, when I went to see him, I held it under control for the most part. Well im going to try to study for my microbiology course now, first test tommorow... thanks for the replies all, and thanks trailz. Any other advice would be appreciated.
 
Atlien3 said:
from my experience at the ER , females doctors suck! they rarely give me anything!
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maybe they rarely give u stuff cuz u were in the ER trying to score narcs.
 
Problems with doctor

I got into a fight a couple days ago and my shoudler poped out again for like the 5th time this year but this time it really really hurt. I went to the ER the next morning n they said that there is blood inside somthing that blood shouldn't be inside and the bone is fucked up somehow.....anyway they give me a script for ten percs and i leave. I woke up this morning not being able to move it cause i was in so much pain and it was stiff as hell so i called my doctor cause i can't afford to go to the ER again, and it turns out his office is closed until monday and i had to wait for another doctor to call me and i told him whats goin on and i asked him if there is anything i can do for it and i asked if i could get some medication(not even referring to narcotics!)to atleast help me be able to move it and he immeditely says we don't prescribe pain medication on the weekend.......motherfucker its thursday!! u don't even know what day it is and ur a doctor??Im so pissed that im in pain, have x-rays of my shoulder and even was seen by a hospital doc and the guy instantly goes to to the OMG HE WANTS DRUGS mode and refuses to do his job......fuckin douche bag
 
Spell "what" right. If you can take the time to do that, it might inspire ME to spend the time to actually help you figure this whole thing out.


Also, who won the fight?
 
my doctor is being a bastard.

i live with severe hip pain caused by an incident involving a truck and a skateboard. i have had an mri which confirmed bone damage. thus far, my orthopedist has prescribed me talwin nx, tylenol 3s, and darvocet. this is totally not making the nut, and i'm pissed. he asked me what i want for the pain, and i told him the only medicine ive tried that works is morphine sulfate. he is not feeling this notion.

now, i know that bluelight does not exist to help people score drugs, but im curious if its standard procedure for orthopedists to start with weak medicines and work up from there if there is no improvement.

the depression that is coming from my pain is too much to handle. i am 25 and from an area that has a high level of opiate abuse. it seems that my doctor is not taking my pain as seriously as he should. the problem is, i like this doctor and i dont want to seek another, due to his kind and receptive nature. am i being impatient, or should i move on?
 
mrjackjones said:
i live with severe hip pain caused by an incident involving a truck and a skateboard. i have had an mri which confirmed bone damage. thus far, my orthopedist has prescribed me talwin nx, tylenol 3s, and darvocet. this is totally not making the nut, and i'm pissed. he asked me what i want for the pain, and i told him the only medicine ive tried that works is morphine sulfate. he is not feeling this notion.

now, i know that bluelight does not exist to help people score drugs, but im curious if its standard procedure for orthopedists to start with weak medicines and work up from there if there is no improvement.

the depression that is coming from my pain is too much to handle. i am 25 and from an area that has a high level of opiate abuse. it seems that my doctor is not taking my pain as seriously as he should. the problem is, i like this doctor and i dont want to seek another, due to his kind and receptive nature. am i being impatient, or should i move on?
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move on.
 
yep, move on. Your doctor works for you, not the other way around. If he cant provide the care you need, then do not provide him with the cash he wants.
 
First, this should have been posted in "Healthy Living" but since the Mods have not closed or moved it I will offer a brief bit of advice.

There is a 3 Step Analgesic Ladder which is universally adhered to, developed by the WHO, an International body.

The first step is non-narcotic. You are on the second step, and probably began there IF your provider thought your pain bad enough.

The fact that you are only being offered Darvon, Tylone, andor Talwin seems to say that your provider has surmised that you are "Drug Seeking," whether or not he or she has proof. Your asking for morphine certainly will not help. In the US you will not be given morphine unless you are in Pallative Care, or get extremely lucky with your provider.
 
Honestly, in my opinion it was asking for morphine and not only morphine but you demonstrated drug knowledge with "morphine sulfate"
 
well god damn. i am seeking drugs. what kind of a lame ass grey area is that when i say im in pain and want drugs to manage it. i mean, seriously, the patient has a right to adequite say in their medical care. also i believe in being honest with doctors.
 
you're too young. thats the problem. the doc doesn't want to sentence you to life in prison. not yet anyway.
 
Most doctors would probably not be inclined to move a patient from a regimen of weaker opioids like Codeine, Propoxyphene, and Pentazocine, straight up to a potent (full agonist) opiate (that does not contain APAP) such as Morphine, without trying an intermediate medication in between like Hydrocodone or perhaps even a low-dose Oxycodone preparation; ie Percocet. Technically, Oxycodone is more potent than Morphine and Hydrocodone is rated as more or less equipotent to Morphine, but a low/moderate dose of one or the other in combination with acetaminophen would be more likely given to a patient before Morphine Sulphate, IMO.


Also, asking for Morphine Sulphate probably didn't help.
 
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its like rachamim said, they have a process to follow and they follow it. records are kept, asses are covered
 
I want to say that Rach is right on and you can find pictures of that WHO ladder pretty easily... THAT is how responsible doctors manage pain.

Morphonorconic is also right, that is the likely path they follow. Going from darvacet or whatever to morphine is like going on a first date and sticking your hand down her pants... its a good way to get slapped. Unfortunately for you, your doctor isn't a slut ;)

Also, I understand you were trying to be open and honest with doctors but they are TRAINED and learned through experience that when a patient asks for a drug by name and demonstrates relatively (for patients) sophisticated knowledge of the drug- it means they are a drug seeker. You need to keep this in mind when dealing with the doctors.

Your doctor isn't a bastard, they are following protocol and protecting their neck! I am really sorry you have to suffer because of that, but take these pieces of knowledge and continue to fight for relieve because if you keep trying, you'll find it. Most of us pain patients have been where you are at and can empathize but keep trying and understand this is temporary and you can get through it. If you have any questions feel free to PM/IM/email me... I've seen a couple dozen doctors (from internists to specialized neurosurgeons) and I've been through the whole PM rigmarole so I know what's up and I'd love to help in any way that I can.

take care
 
Since this thread is more about talking to your doctor about your medical condition and treatment I will move it to healthy living. In the past we covered a LOT of doctor related questions, but if they don't involve discussing technical aspects of drugs then these threads are better off in healthy living.

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It is my advice that you should be less specific to your doctor about what you want for pain. Also, it's not doctor shopping if you ditch your current doctor as long as you aren't keeping the current prescriptions a secret from a new doctor. Maybe your doctor is just afraid of the DEA and would refer you to a pain specialist to pawn you off.. It'd be worth asking. This seems to be how some doctor's are. They care mostly about covering their ass. It's partially the DEA's fault for cracking down on doctors. If only Ron Paul was going to be president. :)
 
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