Doctors taking recreational drugs ?!

[breakyaself]

Sounds like mel has been indoctrinated in some of those psych classes where they learn about the effect of drugs on the brain.

Hon, dont buy all the shit they feedin you. If you want to know what the cutting edge stance on permanent effects/neurotoxicity/LD50 & safety.. YOU GONNA HAVE TO READ THE LITERATURE!!!!!!!!!

Which you clearly haven't done, at least not anything published in the last 5 years (that holes in the brain bullshit is 8+ years old!)

Dont buy into my lecturer, who is a medical/ biology lecturer? Who teaches med students at Sydney ?

Cool matey, Ill let her know.

 

[breakyaself]

Not all of us can aspire to the dizzying heights that a psychology degree would take us to

I am going to be dealing with teaching criminals life skills. Yeah thats real dizzying heights isnt ?

You know what ? I havent done anything to attack anyone in here, just stated an opinion and all of a sudden I think that I know more, and are much better than the rest of the BL population. I have never inferred such a thing. Its funny to watch someone try and make me appear as if I am however.

 

[KemicalBurn]

Dont buy into my lecturer, who is a medical/ biology lecturer? Who teaches med students at Sydney ?

Cool matey, Ill let her know.

If thats the sort of shit she's teaching med students then it wont be long before the NSW's health system is as screwed as the Queensland system.

 

[breakyaself]

Sounds like mel has been indoctrinated in some of those psych classes where they learn about the effect of drugs on the brain.

Hon, dont buy all the shit they feedin you. If you want to know what the cutting edge stance on permanent effects/neurotoxicity/LD50 & safety.. YOU GONNA HAVE TO READ THE LITERATURE!!!!!!!!!

Which you clearly haven't done, at least not anything published in the last 5 years (that holes in the brain bullshit is 8+ years old!)

PS. Mel for a psych major you have real shitty grammar and spelling.


Effect is a noun, nonsensical in this context. You require the use of the verb, 'affect'.

No, it's not. In fact, nothing is 'arrogent', cos it's not a word. You mean arrogant.

Um, as I said in my first post, dont attack my grammar. I did about 3 years of primary school, so my grammar and spelling is not only bad, its beside the point I am trying to make.

 

[breakyaself]

If thats the sort of shit she's teaching med students then it wont be long before the NSW's health system is as screwed as the Queensland system.

What shit ?
I havent mentioned a thing about my knowledge of drugs, beside the fact that ectasy is neurotoxic. If anyone needs to update their drug information, it seems that a lot of you need to, as it has been proven that ecstasy is infact neurotoxic. I will happily forward you medical journals that prove it so.

 

[up all night]

If you can't see that some of what you are writing is coming across as aggressive and arrogant then god help us! Besides kb and fatz, I think everyone else has been pretty level-headed.

I think we can definitely all see your point and I don't think there is one person in this whole thread who would condone heavy drug use by a doctor but I think our point is that the effect it would have is so minute it's not worth worrying about.

 

[KemicalBurn]

Potato and I are clearly speaking about the myth of 'massive holes in the brain' 8)

 

[potato]

Mel, how bout you read and reply to my actual post, not the addendum regarding your indoctrination. You'll find it at the top of the page, below duckboy's post.

And please, your lecturer can only teach what he knows, and that will mostly have been gained from textbooks, and possibly the odd journal article though I doubt recent ones. Given that his field is biology/medicine I doubt that he would read many neuropharmacology papers. Ask him what recent papers he's read reagarding MDMA neurotoxicity for example. One of us is going to be surprised.

 

[breakyaself]

lmao!Thats been proven as a myth. Did you get all of your knowledge of drugs by watching Oprah?

Moderator! Moderator! I call shenanigans on Breakyself!

How is it a myth. I am looking at brain scans this very moment that show the difference in activity from a drug user and a non drug user. There are parts that are missing. because when you take ecstasy you kill neurons. They live inside your head. When they are dead, they disappear, leaving gaps.

 

[KemicalBurn]

If you can't see that some of what you are writing is coming across as aggressive and arrogant then god help us! Besides kb and fatz, I think everyone else has been pretty level-headed.

I responded at the same level as Breakyself. and i havent been agressive, just arrogant

 

[zephyr]

I havent mentioned a thing about my knowledge of drugs, beside the fact that ectasy is neurotoxic.

i wasnt suggesting I know how to perform brain surgery. I was sugesting that I am aware, just as much as a doctor is, about the effects of drugs on the brain. No more, No less. And I am not an uppity BL'er who has read a few things on the net. I have read nothing on the net about drug use and neurobiology. I read it in a text book. I heard it in a lecture hall.

8( 8( going around in circles now.

 

[KemicalBurn]

How is it a myth. I am looking at brain scans this very moment that show the difference in activity from a drug user and a non drug user. There are parts that are missing. because when you take ecstasy you kill neurons. They live inside your head. When they are dead, they disappear, leaving gaps.

Are these the same scans that Oprah used? and when you say "scans" you should try and be more specific and say actually what sort of scans they are.

Lots of rhetoric, very little substance. because "you're looking at them"? Well, thats proof enough for me!

 

[Duckboy]

^and those users ONLY take mdma? they don't drink alcohol? or take anything else? ever?
They are brilliantly controlled experiments; every single one that i have seen.

just out of interest - does your lecturer give you EVIDENCE? I too would love to read for myself the proof you speak of. It may change the tune of many of the people in this argument.

 

[breakyaself]

If you can't see that some of what you are writing is coming across as aggressive and arrogant then god help us! Besides kb and fatz, I think everyone else has been pretty level-headed.

I think we can definitely all see your point and I don't think there is one person in this whole thread who would condone heavy drug use by a doctor but I think our point is that the effect it would have is so minute it's not worth worrying about.

Agressive and arrogent ? I have not been agressive, nor arrogant. Im simply illicting discussion. Thanks though for putting your views before your judgement on me, and assuming such stupid things.

I would like to thank potato for his first post and duckboy for his post for adding some content to the discussion.

I never said I knew all . I dont know how many times I need to repeat that.

 

[breakyaself]

^and those users ONLY take mdma? they don't drink alcohol? or take anything else? ever?
They are brilliantly controlled experiments; every single one that i have seen.

just out of interest - does your lecturer give you EVIDENCE? I too would love to read for myself the proof you speak of. It may change the tune of many of the people in this argument.

My lecturer conducts research herself. If you like I can put you onto her.

 

[potato]

Mel do you actually know what the brain scan you are looking at is measuring? Regardless, the 'holes' in the brain are merely areas where the reading (say the scan measures blood flow for example) is below an arbitrary cut-off.

ANYONE's scans could have holes if you set the cutoff point high enough. This is how NIDA gained the scan image used for the 'holes in the brain' scare campaign back in the 90s. There is not actually any brain material missing. There arent ACTUAL HOLES in the brain. This was only ever claimed by the extremely biased interests of the anti-drug cause. If your lecturer and/or department has chosen to take it on board as fact, that is both frightening and disappointing.

If you dont believe me watch 'ecstasy rising', there's a bit where they speak to a specialist regarding the 'holes in the brain' shots.

 

[Duckboy]

Zeph - not supposed to write scripts for any "drugs of addiction" , which includes benzo's. It's not very cut and dried. Anything scheduled is out. antibiotics etc are okay. but strictly speaking you aren't supposed to write scripts for say temezapam.
Whether this is law, or just popular ethics, i can't answer. I'll look into it.



And no offence to those conducting research, but it generally means zero to the scientific community until it is published and villified. "Cutting edge" research is all well and good, but scientific types are rather conservative when it comes to accepting new material without the backup of reliable, repeatable results and multivariate statistics.
P value, anyone??

it's the basis of what you learn at university - without evidence, you've got nothing..

 

[swifty]

I was at the doctors the other day, and I had to get an injection, so I went into the treatment room and there was a "to do" list on the cupboard...

the list went something like this

Check date on such and such
Re-Order so and so
Check levels in XYZ
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.
.
.
.
.
Fill lollie jars in Doctors rooms

with the lollies in inverted comma's


I laughed....

That is all

 

[breakyaself]

Zeph - not supposed to write scripts for any "drugs of addiction" , which includes benzo's. It's not very cut and dried. Anything scheduled is out. antibiotics etc are okay. but strictly speaking you aren't supposed to write scripts for say temezapam.
Whether this is law, or just popular ethics, i can't answer. I'll look into it.



And no offence to those conducting research, but it generally means zero to the scientific community until it is published and villified. "Cutting edge" research is all well and good, but scientific types are rather conservative when it comes to accepting new material without the backup of reliable, repeatable results and multivariate statistics.
P value, anyone??

it's the basis of what you learn at university - without evidence, you've got nothing..

thats great I have access to a billion medical journals and have found that methamphetamines are most certainly neurotoxic. MDMA in rats is definitely neurotoxic, however there is research which doubts the transference of such results onto humans. If you want the papers, ill post them here. But there is a million of them.

Also, I would love for someone to point out to me how I have been agressive or arrogant. Thanks.

 

[astrosmurf]

i kinda wish i'd posted here this morning considering the crazy shenanigans that have gone on since i've been at work.

so instead i'll post off topic....

i'm a fuck-load more worried about say, long distance drivers taking illicit drugs whilst working than i am about doctors taking illicit drugs recreationally.